When will there be a backlash against these rule breakers?

[annabel85]

We know the government made errors back in March. They should have locked down quicker and messed up with care homes. However, the issue now is people not following rules. House parties, raves, mixing in big groups. People are blaming the government for the new rule of 6 and not the shameless delinquents who have been breaking rules.

The government have issued a clear warning to people with the new legislation. Follow the rules or cases will get worse and further restrictions will come. How long till people snap at those who aren't taking this seriously? The tolerance of the law abiding majority can only stretch so far.

PS - leave Cummings out of it. This is about the here and now.

@annabel85

I really think there is a calling for you to sign up as one of the new Covid Marshals- based on your opening post you'll really fit right in.

You are being a bit too weird Trust

Don’t behave then I don’t care. I’m glad you are don’t live here though. And also glad people here care enough to limit interaction.

Trust And I’m not the one closing classes. If I had it my way I’d reassess the data on spread between close contacts in schools. Israel was low.

So I don’t want schools to close, no where have I said that I did. But I cannot change the threshold even if I want it looked in to.

@MarshaBradyo

You are being a bit too weird Trust

Don’t behave then I don’t care. I’m glad you are don’t live here though. And also glad people here care enough to limit interaction.

I'm not being weird, you're saying you're ok with childrens education being revoked as a punishment. I don't think it's weird not to be ok with that.

I haven't once said I won't behave, I've said I don't agree with the rhetoric. If you're going to argue with me at least read it properly.

You're naive if you think nobody near you thinks it's fucking stupid though.

I never said you wanted schools to close. Read. It. Again.

@Pomegranatepompom

As both my husband and I pay significant amounts of my wage in tax and NI each month, then yes, I would expect NHS treatment.

But realistically I’m far more likely to need the NHS (to help me fight Covid) because of the job I have to do with 1000s of people and not because I happened to have a few extra people I love, know and trust in my garden.

If the rules made sense, I would follow them. But the rules do not make sense. My area has seen few hospitalisations this week and no deaths. Yet restrictions are suddenly ramped up and I’m told if I behave myself, I might have some type of Christmas.

Good news is, I’ll be doing my own thing and having whatever type of Christmas I bloody well want. You can call me selfish, I really don’t care. But perhaps it’s time others began to question the ridiculous rules we’re being asked to follow.

Rust So silly,I am not punishing children how is that possible?

I am in agreement with restriction to keep education and economy going. I understand the reasoning. It’s easy to get.

You think it’s stupid. You don’t get why. Fine carry on not trying to get it.

@MarshaBradyo

Rust So silly,I am not punishing children how is that possible?

I am in agreement with restriction to keep education and economy going. I understand the reasoning. It’s easy to get.

You think it’s stupid. You don’t get why. Fine carry on not trying to get it.

Omg can you not read? I haven't said YOU are punishing children. I said you think it's ok to threaten people into behaving by saying that if they don't their children will have their education taken away.

Trying not to get what?

I don't agree that it's the right way forward. Don't try and make out like I'm thick and I don't understand. I do understand, I just don't agree. Very, very big difference.

lot of people will surely be angry at those breaking the rules if it means Christmas is cancelled

Another 'Christmas is cancelled' drama lama 🙄

I am not ‘threatening’ people Trust. If cases go up in any area does the likelihood of the school closing go up or down?

I find your language odd. It’s so emotionally laden.

@MarshaBradyo

I am not ‘threatening’ people Trust. If cases go up in any area does the likelihood of the school closing go up or down?

I find your language odd. It’s so emotionally laden.

Again, why do you think I am talking about YOU?

it's the government who are threatening it - you just agree that it's ok. Which I have now said, numerous times.

Emotionally Laden? Well yes kids getting an education is fairly important to me.

Again, schools should not be closing down regardless. If a bubble has to isolate because there has been a case then fine. Shutting schools down because cases in general are up? Unacceptable.

Get over yourself get some jigsaws in maybe some decorating stuff and suck it up!

Hahaha! Sadly I can’t, because I’m one of the people expected to go into work with 1000s of children and no social distancing. I’m expected to stay for a longer day to support year 11/13 in catching up. I’m expected to do this Mon - Fri BUT if I don’t see my parents, that should keep me safe from the virus.

What a load of bollocks.

@DBMLi think it’s unfair to put people at additional risk due to individual actions/choices. Not just nhs workers. But I also think teachers should have ppe.

The person who doesnot quarantine, the person, having parties etc they’ll all increase the viral load of nhs staff and others. I think that’s really unfair.
Having said that- if people socially distance appropriately, I think the 6 number makes people less likely to comply. 2 household would make more sense.

Personally I wouldn’t want to risk others however much I want to do things. I’m also more likely to catch covid at work too and sadly 2 of my colleagues have died.

"The virus is going to circulate, though, possibly forever."

Did they say at the press conference how they will reach a decision to lift the new rule without a vaccine - what will the threshhold be? Or is that dependent on the moonshot large number (can't remember how many exactly) of tests being carried out every day?

Interesting that (I think) Wales has only applied the new rule to indoor gatherings - I think 30 will still be the legal limit outside (not sure about the guidance).

But you’ll be keeping your parents safer if you don’t see them.

Trust I just said below I’d like to see close contacts assessed. The issue may well be the threshold is far too low. I am not in complete agreement with approach.

Since I cannot change that I will not go on about the stupid rules that don’t make sense, because they do make sense, and education is a priority to me.

Ok so you’re ok with a bubble closing but you don’t want tier two instigated for example if general cases go up? Has this happened anywhere? I would prefer not to do that either. I would like schools to be remain open and question approach. But I still don’t think the new rules are stupid which is where we diverge.

@MarshaBradyo

Trust I just said below I’d like to see close contacts assessed. The issue may well be the threshold is far too low. I am not in complete agreement with approach.

Since I cannot change that I will not go on about the stupid rules that don’t make sense, because they do make sense, and education is a priority to me.

Ok so you’re ok with a bubble closing but you don’t want tier two instigated for example if general cases go up? Has this happened anywhere? I would prefer not to do that either. I would like schools to be remain open and question approach. But I still don’t think the new rules are stupid which is where we diverge.

No I don't think anything further should be done. Because realistically we can't live like this for much longer. If there is no vaccine are we banned from seeing family / business closed down forever?

But you’ll be keeping your parents safer if you don’t see them.

My parents aren’t old, isolating and staying away from the virus.
They are young, active, working in retail and manufacturing.

The government wants us all out and working no matter the risk. There’s no staying at home safe for any of us.

But other than work, we can’t do anything together.

I work to live, I don’t live to work...yet that’s what I feel forced to do right now and I’m saying no.

If this carries on and work is the only thing to get up for day after day, I’m quitting. I’m walking out. And for all of my students and colleagues it’ll just be tough luck. I know many people who are feeling exactly the same.

Trust no not forever I assume we are giving the vaccine the best shot before reassessing what to do if we don’t have it.

I very much do not want to see closed businesses or restriction to zero on family etc so this rule might help us change track (as it did with other countries).

@Pomegranatepompom

But you’ll be keeping your parents safer if you don’t see them.

I'm sure that sentiment will make my best friend feel so much better. Knowing that her mum died with dementia alone and confused and upset that her family had abandoned her, but she was kept safe by not being allowed to have her daughter with her as she died.

Is the government's plan then to keep the 6 law until either a) vaccine or b) 10mn tests a day or c) unspecified date on which government reassesses? If so, what date is (c), I wonder? Did any of the journalists ask at the press conference what would happen if there's no vaccine and the moonshot fails to take off?

@MarshaBradyo

Trust no not forever I assume we are giving the vaccine the best shot before reassessing what to do if we don’t have it.

I very much do not want to see closed businesses or restriction to zero on family etc so this rule might help us change track (as it did with other countries).

How long do we wait? A year? Two? Five? Oh because it still looks promising guys!

I don't want that either but people have lost faith. You can't expect people to trust or respect the government anymore and I don't blame them.

Perhaps if they actually told us what they are trying to achieve here, they'd have more support. But since they don't tell us that, and just restrict and un restrict seemingly at random, people don't give a shit any more.

@DBMLi honestly do see your point of view.
It’s really difficult.
@LivinLaVidaLoki Sorry for your friend. I’m not sure how possible it is to adapt for everyones personal circumstances. I agree that’s heartbreaking.
The people who can reasonable distance should imo. Ideally difficult circumstances like this, individually assessed? The problem is many people would say they had exceptional circs?

We won’t see PIL as they are vulnerable and over 70. It’s very hard for them. They don’t work so of course easier for them to isolate.

Trust I don’t know how long but my timeframe for thinking about it is get through Winter. I’d hope to see something like a strategy in Spring.

I loathed complete lock down, found it hard, my dc are happy back at school, I’ll give this new rule a shot to get through next bit of time.

If the government close schools and teachers don’t have to look after key workers children; if I can stay home with my boys and focus on just us...I will absolutely follow the rule of 6.