Isn't it time to close pubs and beauty salons

[Eng123]

We are seeing a spike if we closed these activities down for 1 month then its likely schools can remain open. It would seem an obvious choice. I know these businesses circulate money in the economy but on balance their closure would protect a wider range of activities key to the economy.

@IwishIwasyoda

I think the gov should create jobs - covid compliance inspectors who just drop in to check the rules are being followed in pubs, workplaces at high risk (i.e. manufacturing, warehouses etc). I have seen good practice in pubs / restaurants and frankly a lot of turning a blind eye to meet ups from lots of different households, tables too close together and jam-packed etc. Where i live the cases have tended to be because of risky workplace practice, pubs, and extended family/friend home parties

These checks are happening in my area. Every business in my village had an inspection at the weekend.

[quote Eng123]@Iced
I have empathy with those whose jobs are impacted by COVID. Mine maybe or by Brexit yet. But to do nothing is likely to lead to more economic impacts and heartache.[/quote]
No one is suggesting doing ‘nothing’. Just not shutting down industries with no evidence that it will have any impact on the numbers. Can’t you see that there is a whole host of other options? Not just closing down the industries that you happen to think aren’t necessary?

Empathy isn’t going to pay their bills

[quote Eng123]@Iced
I have empathy with those whose jobs are impacted by COVID. Mine maybe or by Brexit yet. But to do nothing is likely to lead to more economic impacts and heartache.[/quote]
Shall we shut your industry down with no evidence it's causing a problem then???

These checks are happening in my area. Every business in my village had an inspection at the weekend

Ours too.

Not all gums are bad, mine have a 15min break between each bookable slot to clean machines. Plenty of tissue and spray and i always wipe machinebefore and after I use it, in fact its more cleaner than it was pre covid.

Been in the ggm for 4 weeks and not fallen ill at all.

Infsct id say supermarkets were worse, on you to clean the basket or trolley handles and ive seen many people not bothering, not like the supermarkets do it either. So I'll happily go to the gym knowing they clean all machines before i start my slot and with me cleaning them as I use them.

@IcedPurple
If COVID were transmitted via TCP/IP then yes we should curtail my industry. As I said earlier I'm not immune, this is a scary time for us all.

i thought witty recommended other things close to facilitate school reopening-not that they ever took any notice of him

@cyclingmad

Not all gums are bad, mine have a 15min break between each bookable slot to clean machines. Plenty of tissue and spray and i always wipe machinebefore and after I use it, in fact its more cleaner than it was pre covid.

Been in the ggm for 4 weeks and not fallen ill at all.

Infsct id say supermarkets were worse, on you to clean the basket or trolley handles and ive seen many people not bothering, not like the supermarkets do it either. So I'll happily go to the gym knowing they clean all machines before i start my slot and with me cleaning them as I use them.

I wasn’t suggesting gyms are bad, mine is great. My point was just that if she’s just going to arbitrarily pick industries out of the air, why those ones?

@Eng123

I'm really surprised at the responses here. I thought that shitting down pubs would really make the young who are spreading those take note. Also that shutting down these non essential parts of the economy would protect the essential parts such as schools, NHS and critical services etc. I'm interested rather than judging anyone but I think that another wide scale lockdown will be the end result if people refuse controls on these non essential entertainments.

Oh, here we go! The sheeple really are falling for the blame-the-young-people claptrap. FFS, just when you thought people were starting to wise up to all the bullshit the government spins.

Newsflash: there is no 'non essential' part of our economy anymore. We're borrowed to the hilt, about to thoroughly fuck our ability to borrow with no deal Brexit, drop the value of our currency so our debt costs more to service, we can't afford to lose any more industries.

Yes I think Chris Witty did suggest that there would be a trade off to keep schools open.

Well, logically, we should shit all the food factories. There are currently around 50 manufacturing or distribution sites with outbreaks. Including one in a chicken factory in Scotland where 157 staff and 20 close contacts have tested positive, 75 people positive in a meat factory in Norfolk.
The site I am at this week has had 30 positive - that's the reality when you have 700 people working in close proximity for 12 hour shifts.
The food industry keeps going, because God forbid somebody might get substituted burgers for sausages in their on line delivery.
So, let's do the responsible thing and close the lot.
You're going to be hungry OP, but it's for the greater good...

[quote Eng123]@IcedPurple
If COVID were transmitted via TCP/IP then yes we should curtail my industry. As I said earlier I'm not immune, this is a scary time for us all.[/quote]
So you require evidence before shutting down your industry..... don't the industries you're so willing to sacrifice deserve the same respect?

I'm not going to pretend to be very educated on how this all works. But if cases are going up, but deaths and ITU admissions are not massively, is it not actually a good thing, where heard immunity is considered? The fit and healthy people getting it and getting over it means we can continue to function as an economy, keeping pubs, etc open.

[quote Eng123]@Iced
I have empathy with those whose jobs are impacted by COVID. Mine maybe or by Brexit yet. But to do nothing is likely to lead to more economic impacts and heartache.[/quote]
There is NO evidence of this. AT. ALL. The virus is mild in the vast majority and even asymptomatic in a not insignificant number of people.

@Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd
Its perhaps worth looking to make balancing adjustments to avoid wide scale shutdowns. I agree Brexit is an economic catastrophe and on top of COVID has me worried.

'How many outbreaks have a proven association with pubs or beauty salons?'

The current sudden rise in cases in Bolton has been attributed to pubs, many of which had already closed before the increased measures announced today as lots of cases had been found to have originated from them when traced.

Gyms, yoga studios and beauty salons are highly controlled environments. Well run pubs and restaurants are too.

In homes people many aren’t being careful, not social distancing, not washing hands enough, not cleaning surfaces frequently etc.

When you go to an external venue you're more likely to follow the rules as there are reminders everywhere, it’s all set up for you and you’re being “watched” by others so you’re more likely to comply. In someone else’s home you relax more, let your guard down and think that you’re safer. My in-laws aren’t socially distancing with extended family at all in their home now “because they’ve been having them round most days for months now” - they feel like the danger has passed but they’re not thinking about how any of them are also coming into contact with other people most days so every time these people come into their home they’re potentially bringing with them anything they’ve picked up between times. They think that because they see someone everyday and haven’t (knowingly) caught Covid from them yet that they won’t.

Sure I read that death's from flu are not higher than covid....quick shut everything down!!!!

Hang on dodnf we kill whole herds of cattle cos they carried a certain disease.......shouldn't we have saved those cows and stopped slaughtering them and gone without meat for a while...

I mean this how ridiculous its now getting 🙄

I have my own beauty business and I could not be any safer if I tried! Mask visor apron gloves and client in a mask. All surfaces and every single item that's been touched during a treatment gets sanitised before the next client arrives and all ppe changed. The issue here is not salons!

Nothing will be shut down again. We can't afford it. Much more likely to be told we can't go into other households for the winter. Which everyone will ignore.

@butterfly86

I have my own beauty business and I could not be any safer if I tried! Mask visor apron gloves and client in a mask. All surfaces and every single item that's been touched during a treatment gets sanitised before the next client arrives and all ppe changed. The issue here is not salons!

Don’t go using logic round here. Only emotional, knee jerk suggestions are allowed

@cyclingmad
Are you suggesting that culling herds for foot and mouth was an over reaction? It protected the industry long term as we would have permanently lost the export market if we didn't act.

@ShamPayne
I'm really interested in peoples views I'm not making an emotional appeal. I've been accused of acting out of self interest but most of the stronger views expressed here are from those with directly vested interests. Given lack of data it will come down to a judgment call. The SAGE group will hopefully have an insight on the best control measures. I'm speculating that the most effective measures would be focused in the entertainments industry.

One thing I do think is test and trace should be compulsory and not voluntary when visiting pubs etc.