Plan if cases increase exponentially again

[BlueBlancmange]

Cases appear to be rising rapidly again. If deaths start increasing dramatically again too, how we will be able to contain things again, as surely another national lockdown is not feasible? Also since it's looking like there is long term damage in a high number of cases, there could end up being a lot of people with ongoing, possibly permanent physical issues.

I am optimistic about a vaccine, but I am starting to worry it might not arrive quickly enough to prevent a large scale disaster as things spiral out of control again.

Further much larger scale disaster I mean. Obviously things have already been disastrous enough.

Local lockdowns, not sure to what degree though as the Government have already said schools will stay open (whilst they have the teachers able to work that is!) and it's not looking likely that the economy can afford business' to close again..
I'm not sure the Government do have a plan apart from everyone back to work & school.

There are not a high number or percentage of people with long term issues from covid-19. For most people, it is mild. Don't catastrophise

I'm not sure they've got a plan at all - the strategy will be based on whoever shouts loudest on Twitter

I don’t know. Not sure how much of a second wave will be allowed. I do not want second lockdown though.

Deaths and hospitalisation is so low it’s not certain what will come next.

@Isitisntit

There are not a high number or percentage of people with long term issues from covid-19. For most people, it is mild. Don't catastrophise

How do you know? I have read things that suggest there are.

Source?

@Isitisntit

There are not a high number or percentage of people with long term issues from covid-19. For most people, it is mild. Don't catastrophise

What’s your evidence base for this. Far more than 50% of the people I know personally who have had it have long term damage (scarred lungs)/post-viral ME/breathing difficulties. One is relearning to walk/eat/talk after a stroke whilst in a coma in ITU.

My husband works with someone currently researching Long Covid - they increasingly believe Long Covid is Covid & those who walk away unscathed are v much in the minority

Well if over 50% of the people you know have told you that, it must be true! Alert the ONS.

The vast majority of people who get COVID-19 recover without issue. Asking people to prove otherwise is ridiculous, provide some proof for your claims which aren't completely anecdotal.

My husband works with someone currently researching Long Covid - they increasingly believe Long Covid is Covid & those who walk away unscathed are v much in the minority

I can't see how this can be true given the number of asymptotic people etc. I don't doubt that long a Covid exists and it sounds pretty terrifying, but I don't see how it's possible for it to be the majority of people.

@mac12

My husband works with someone currently researching Long Covid - they increasingly believe Long Covid is Covid & those who walk away unscathed are v much in the minority

Are you including asymptomatic cases? Plus a large chunk of mild ones.

Be good to see stats on it

Well if over 50% of the people you know have told you that, it must be true! Alert the ONS.

I’m responsible for 90k of the NHS workforce. My comment is based on quite a strong data set of which ONS are well aware. Workforce planning is a nightmare!

Be wary of consuming misinformation about the pandemic, especially if feeling (understandably) anxious about things. Look for peer reviewed scientific papers or coverage of them from a range of news sources.

"My husband works with someone" is not a reliable source.

You wouldn’t have any sort of accuracy over asymptomatic carriers though, because not everybody gets routinely tested. So it will be “of the positive cases we know of”, of which the Vast majority would be symptomatic.

There won’t be results for ages, it’s a long term study but they have apparently been taken aback by results in cohort recruited to date.

@Feminist10101

You wouldn’t have any sort of accuracy over asymptomatic carriers though, because not everybody gets routinely tested. So it will be “of the positive cases we know of”, of which the Vast majority would be symptomatic.

There are situations where there is information.

Obviously not across population but gives insight.

Yes. We randomly tested 500 frontline NHS staff. 1 had a positive test without symptoms. 20% had the antibodies, compared with around 15% who had tested positive whilst symptomatic. It’s part of a bigger project, but interesting none-the-less.

Our secondary school has been open 2 days and 5 teachers have been diagnosed with Covid - 19

I’m responsible for 90k of the NHS workforce.

Out of people that have tested positive in my friendship group several are suffering from long covid to the point of needing ongoing hospitals investigation. Long covid is going to be so much more detrimental with the long term issues than “just the flu”

@macaroniinapot

Can you use words?

Not wishing to minimise covid19. As was seen in Wuhan and Lombardy too high a percentage need hospital care to have it going unchecked through a middle aged population.

I have to say though "normal" pneumonia can often have an awful effect on people who don't just bounce back to health.

Other viruses can cause post viral syndrome. Tbh the NHS ime normally just doesn't look at people struggling and scraping by after illnesses. They are left in many cases to feel like malingerers.

There is no plan.

Research shows that up to 79% of people (out of a group of around 100, I can't recall exact numbers) who had tested positive for covid, including those who were asymptomatic, had resulting cardiac inflammation and possible longer term issues.

I'm try to find the link to the scientific paper again.

It's not all mild and you are ok.
Covid seems to have a silent attack in many cases with possible longer term issues. But it's not been about long enough to know what these long term issues will be. They know from scans that the heart was inflamed even in very mild covid cases.

There have been other recent studies on covid destroying beta cells in the pancreas causing type 1 diabetes in previously healthy people.

We are only just starting to find out longer implications of 'mild' covid.