Plan if cases increase exponentially again

[BlueBlancmange]

Cases appear to be rising rapidly again. If deaths start increasing dramatically again too, how we will be able to contain things again, as surely another national lockdown is not feasible? Also since it's looking like there is long term damage in a high number of cases, there could end up being a lot of people with ongoing, possibly permanent physical issues.

I am optimistic about a vaccine, but I am starting to worry it might not arrive quickly enough to prevent a large scale disaster as things spiral out of control again.

@Isitisntit

There are not a high number or percentage of people with long term issues from covid-19. For most people, it is mild. Don't catastrophise

I know at least two previously healthy adults in their early 30s who have been left with debilitating chronic fatigue still present several months since having covid-19.

Unconnected cases.

Interestingly there is an article in Telegraph today that they are seeing signs that lungs are healing themselves after 3 months in patients who suffered badly from CV. Some good news to counterbalance this thread. It is still very early days for some recoveries - viruses can floor people for ages. This is not new to Covid.

I had pneumonia as a fit 28 year old. It took me six weeks to feel a bit better and two years before every little cold didn't develop into a chest infection. I'm absolutely fine now (I'm 41, so it was a while ago).

@mac12

My husband works with someone currently researching Long Covid - they increasingly believe Long Covid is Covid & those who walk away unscathed are v much in the minority

Interestingly I read some stuff yesterday from America that a THIRD of a sports team who tested positive got heart inflammation. They were by definition young and fit.

I remember because I had to Google 'myocarditis' to understand the article

The BMJ has a fair bit on this e.g. www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2815

Almost all the famous people: politicians, actors, sports professionals, public pundits, member(s) of Royal Family & scientists who had covid - seem to be fine now. Working full time as much as they ever did. I know there are some deaths, but nearly all recovered without further comment.

they increasingly believe Long Covid is Covid & those who walk away unscathed are v much in the minority

That's not true at all. Many people will have had it without even knowing, and for plenty it will have been mild; no doubt there are long term effects for some, but not the majority.

I think the plan is to brexit.

Everything will be fine after brexit.

We have an oven ready virus. Or was that vaccine.

Stay at work. Don't go home.

There are so many interpretations of the data aren't there?!

On the one hand, we're told that they think that as many as 30-50% of cases may be asymptomatic while infectious and that's why masks are essential, and on the other that long covid is covid...

@Newjez

I think the plan is to brexit.

Everything will be fine after brexit.

We have an oven ready virus. Or was that vaccine.

Stay at work. Don't go home.

I was coming back to say I forgot to answer the original question and my view is they have no plan.

This ⬆️ says it better than I would have. Hard not to be livid all day long.

Govt 'sources' today I read suggest we are six weeks behind France. Given they said we were four weeks behind Italy, but it turned out to be two, presumably we are actually three weeks behind France.

is my current mood cycle

@Isitisntit

There are not a high number or percentage of people with long term issues from covid-19. For most people, it is mild. Don't catastrophise

This. Why on earth do people not realise that the vast majority fully recover and many that have the virus are asymptomatic....

I'm pretty sure the government don't have a plan.

What I'm 100% sure of is, anyone on here trying to answer the question doesn't know what the plan is either, regardless of what stats they quote, what they say they do/are working on (hmmmm) or who they know.

They are as much in the dark as the rest of us.

@mac12

My husband works with someone currently researching Long Covid - they increasingly believe Long Covid is Covid & those who walk away unscathed are v much in the minority

This does not sound credible at all. In fact it sounds like nonsense. Which institute is studying this?

@PhilCornwall1

I'm pretty sure the government don't have a plan.

What I'm 100% sure of is, anyone on here trying to answer the question doesn't know what the plan is either, regardless of what stats they quote, what they say they do/are working on (hmmmm) or who they know.

They are as much in the dark as the rest of us.

Well yes but Mumsnet would be pretty dull if we all stuck to 'only discussing things we have received full government briefing on'

@Feminist10101 - Far more than 50% of the people I know personally who have had it have long term damage (scarred lungs)/post-viral ME/breathing difficulties. One is relearning to walk/eat/talk after a stroke whilst in a coma in ITU.

How many people do you know who have had Covid?

Fear-mongering claims are not helpful or acvurate. Do you have any published evidence?

@Floralbean

they increasingly believe Long Covid is Covid & those who walk away unscathed are v much in the minority

That's not true at all. Many people will have had it without even knowing, and for plenty it will have been mild; no doubt there are long term effects for some, but not the majority.

You say the majority have long term symptoms...stop spouting rubbish...honestly just ✋

@BlueBlancmange -source??

I know 4 people that definitely had it. One quite severe and even he didn't have long term effects. Stop ramping up the fear and catastrophising

I do feel we are getting a lot of scaremongering - but of course it thrives in a vacuum.

Long Covid is real, but haven't heard really anything from government about its existence.

If government told us the percentage, the scaremongering would be countered.

I keep reading 1 in 10 of those with symptoms. That would equate to a fuck of a lot if we get a lot of cases this winter.

If the SAGE report said RWC of 85k deaths assuming 0.7% death rate, that's 12m cases. If 40% are asymptomatic that means 7m symptomatic. If 10% get long Covid, that's 700k potentially.

Why is no one in government even mentioning it? Presumably because we'd start to worry?

@Feminist10101

Well if over 50% of the people you know have told you that, it must be true! Alert the ONS.

I’m responsible for 90k of the NHS workforce. My comment is based on quite a strong data set of which ONS are well aware. Workforce planning is a nightmare!

Wow @Feminist10101 is responsible for over 90% of the NHS workforce ).... is she the government

Meant 90,000 not %

@BlippiToys

Our secondary school has been open 2 days and 5 teachers have been diagnosed with Covid - 19

They caught it before schools went back. The incubation period is longer than that. Did they go abroad on holiday? Have they been socialising?

@BlippiToys

Our secondary school has been open 2 days and 5 teachers have been diagnosed with Covid - 19

By diagnosed I assume mean tested positive,obviously they didn't catch it at school,

Are you in a hot spot area? That's a good sample for track and trace, you'd expect that teachers knowing they were going back to school would have kept to SD etc in the run up to the start of term, maybe a lot of asymptomatic cases that need to ne identified.

@guilttripjourno

There is no plan.

Look at Spain and France- no second lockdown (because no one can afford it). Just tighter restrictions on large gatherings and use of masks

The “plan” is local lockdowns and prioritising keeping schools open.

I got long Covid on 21 March and still have symptoms and fatigue. Unfortunately it’s very real and affects all ages but often very fit people. The King’s College study is finding it in around 10% of symptomatic cases.