Greater Manchester cases rising even more. What can be done?

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I've been watching these for a while and despite local lockdowns the rates are going up. Bolton is bloody scary. I am just within the GM boundary and our rate has gone up from 8 to 13 in the space of about 3 days. Schools only went back 3 days ago and I can't see the figures improving. How can things be controlled when local half-assed lockdowns are not working and everyone is back in school? Will us shielded ones end up shielded again? At what point will schools close?

@Oliversmumsarmy

*www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/gmp-coronavirus-legislation-law-parties-18729821.amp*

This was just in one weekend.

Looks like it was happening everywhere: www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/illegal-parties-london-police-break-coronavirus-lockdown-gatherings-music-events-cressida-dick-a9589256.html%3famp

3 compared with 754

@Oliversmumsarmy

3 compared with 754

Or more than 500? Looks like the lockdown breaking revellers of London equal those in Manchester, and other cities too. People in individual cities don't all act in a certain way. What a bizarre thing to think.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/illegal-raves-lockdown-coronavirus-london-met-police-violence-a9636651.html%3famp

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-52859984

And this was London. Breaches have been all over the place!

And this, from This Is London, on numbers of lockdown breaches across the country:
"The most number of offences came from the London Metropolitan area, while outside the capital, the most flouters can be found in North Yorkshire."

People had been breaking lockdown everywhere.

www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/national/uk-today/18453289.revealed-number-fines-issued-breaching-lockdown-rules-england-wales/

Have you got something against Manchester @Oliversmumsarmy? It's was eerily quiet here too at the start.

The only thing that can be done is people to take responsibility for their actions, it doesn't really matter what the Government imposes.
There is enough information for people to know that Covid never went away, cases only went down as we all stayed home.
The more contacts we make the more cases will rise, its not rocket science.
The actions of all of us will dictate the outcomes.

Yep. Break the chain.

@Bucolicky - 906 in London met, population >14 million. 846 in North yorkshire, population 600k. It's hardly comparable.

That's just where the most fines are handed out. It doesn't necessarily mean London and North Yorkshire have the most flouters. Just that more were caught and/or fined there.

[quote MRex]@Bucolicky - 906 in London met, population >14 million. 846 in North yorkshire, population 600k. It's hardly comparable.[/quote]
I'm not trying to make a comparison.
It was a direct quote from the linked article, which I posted in response to a previous poster who'd suggested Manchester residents were among the worst offenders of lockdown breach, while Londoners largely kept to the rules.

Greater Manchester has 263 cases for 2.7m population.

1 in 16,000 Londoners had a fine, 1 in 10,000 in Greater Manchester, 1 in 709 in North Yorkshire.

If you'd chosen North Yorkshire for comparison, your argument would have looked good, but you chose London, who actually got the least fines per head of population. It's really always worth looking at population size with bare numbers like that.

Either way, it shows that the previous poster's suggestion that folk in GM had been breaking lockdown more than other areas is not true and that's the main point!

@MRex

Greater Manchester has 263 cases for 2.7m population.

1 in 16,000 Londoners had a fine, 1 in 10,000 in Greater Manchester, 1 in 709 in North Yorkshire.

If you'd chosen North Yorkshire for comparison, your argument would have looked good, but you chose London, who actually got the least fines per head of population. It's really always worth looking at population size with bare numbers like that.

To be really clear - I'm not making comparisons. That's my point. People everywhere were breaking lockdown. Manchester was no different in this than everywhere else, London included. The links I posted were to show that Manchester wasn't some rogue city where everyone was blithely having parties while the rest of the country was making sacrifices, as suggested by a previous poster.

Last week v this week. Scary. I note the number of schools affected is 68 I think the MEN said.

Covid cases now confirmed at 68 Greater Manchester schools www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/covid-cases-now-confirmed-68-18918703

What’s actually quite concerning to me is that the govt is making decisions based on old data - their watchlist is based on the week to 3rd September as extracted on 8th September - Wigan isn’t even on their list at all despite tripling in a week. If the MEN can publish latest data why can’t the govt use that!

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/916993/Weekly_COVID19_Surveillance_Report_week_37_FINAL.pdf

@Bercows

Last week v this week. Scary. I note the number of schools affected is 68 I think the MEN said.

The numbers are really scary, I also don't understand at what point schools are supposed to move to one of the distanced models - surely more needs to be done in Bolton?

It is fortunate there is a mayor to speak out, the government still seem in denial.

Here are today's figures for GM. They didn't publish the table yesterday, just the numbers. I think the whole of GM will be red by the end of the week and with extra measures. At least I'd hope so as we can't go on like this. I'd feel happier if Andy Burnham gets shielding reintroduced for those of us who are ecv and schools get going with online learning. I want my dc at school but they're safety comes first.

My boys are still in school in Bolton ,I'm getting increasingly anxious about it ,I know several local schools have had bubbles sent home due to cases ,but so far not the schools my boys are in .

@x2boys

My boys are still in school in Bolton ,I'm getting increasingly anxious about it ,I know several local schools have had bubbles sent home due to cases ,but so far not the schools my boys are in .

although not sure they really help with worry

Can you just keep them off for a week to see if things calm down a bit?

Tameside rising still. Other than a Bolton style additional lockdown, I'm not sure they will do anything.There is not the government will to implement anything else, and I really think they will only move to a part time rota for schools as a last resort.

twitter.com/BenKentish/status/1305498910249676801?s=09
According to LBC there are no Covid tests available in the too hotspots for the virus!

A jump up again. Bolton, Oldham and Tameside are scary. I know it will take time for the measures to take effect but it's got drastically worse rather than starting to improve and Oldham have been under extra measures for weeks now. It's not working.

It is scary both my kids schools in Bolton have now had outbreaks 😥