Greater Manchester cases rising even more. What can be done?

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I've been watching these for a while and despite local lockdowns the rates are going up. Bolton is bloody scary. I am just within the GM boundary and our rate has gone up from 8 to 13 in the space of about 3 days. Schools only went back 3 days ago and I can't see the figures improving. How can things be controlled when local half-assed lockdowns are not working and everyone is back in school? Will us shielded ones end up shielded again? At what point will schools close?

Meanwhile Australia, New Zealand, and the Isle of Man can get on with mostly normal life. Schools, offices, pubs, restaurants, theatres. That's what happens when you use your island advantage.

@SheepandCow

Meanwhile Australia, New Zealand, and the Isle of Man can get on with mostly normal life. Schools, offices, pubs, restaurants, theatres. That's what happens when you use your island advantage.

Yeah. Not a lot we can do about it now is there. Shower of morons

@SheepandCow

I’m not sure Australia is a very good example:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-australia-54045102

And this horrific story more in keeping with what I’d expect in China than a so-called liberal democracy such as Australia:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.spiked-online.com/2020/09/07/australias-covid-police-state/amp/

My family live in Australia (not Victoria). Extended family are in New Zealand. In both countries, the vast majority of the country is extremely supportive of the sensible measures taken. Outbreaks, like the one in Melbourne, are being effectively tackled. No need for school disruption or 'bubbles', no need to close bars or pubs, lesser economic devastation. People are very happy they can get on with mostly normal lives. They've horrified with how bad things are here. We've got one of the highest death rates in the world AND a fucked up economy.

Also why is it 'horrific' that someone who broke the law - a law designed to save lives and the economy - is arrested? Should we stop arresting lawbreakers? Empty the prisons because people should be allowed to do whatever they like, nevermind how many people and livelihoods their actions harm?

Someone who supports dangerous far right anti vaxxer, Covid 'hoax' conspiracy theories gets arrested for breaking the law. Hardly a police state.

@SheepandCow

Also why is it 'horrific' that someone who broke the law - a law designed to save lives and the economy - is arrested? Should we stop arresting lawbreakers? Empty the prisons because people should be allowed to do whatever they like, nevermind how many people and livelihoods their actions harm?

Someone who supports dangerous far right anti vaxxer, Covid 'hoax' conspiracy theories gets arrested for breaking the law. Hardly a police state.

Do you really want to live in a country where protest and dissent is not allowed? Do you think that’s part of a healthy democracy?

Do you really want to live in a country where mass death especially of the vulnerable is accepted? Where many previously fit and healthy young people face potential life long disability from Long Covid? Where the economy is devastated, with mass unemployment and increased deprivation?

Protests should of course be allowed - but not as mass in-person gatherings during the extraordinary circumstances of a global pandemic. Risk your own life, not other people's.

Still, in a democracy we have freedom of speech. So we'll have to agree to disagree. I'd rather prioritise protecting lives and saving the economy. Others might not.

We truly are between a rock and a hard place😶🗿

Latest figures showing Tameside has jumped up the list considerably. Stockport rising. Most places rising. Bolton still at the top of the red zone. Will the new measures work for the region?

Hopefully Bolton are finally getting the message I went into the town centre today and most people were wearing masks ,and less people on the park

I'm Tameside.

DH was shielding til end of July, and we are still being really careful.

DS2 back in school, DD started college.

Both of us still WFH, but we have been watching cases rise with concern. I understand withing that Hyde, the next town from us is a hotspot.

I'm seeing lots of teenagers in large groups, and quite a lot of adult in the local supermarkets not wearing masks, or wearing them incorrectly. I think we will go the way of Bolton in the next week.

And DMIL is in Stockport, so had was released from the additional measures recently - thinks she will be back in them before long too.

Tameside has gone up a great deal. I've been watching as some students at school come from there. Not sure why as Hyde is not in the catchment but there's a school bus for Hyde. Anyway... We came out of the tighter restrictions too but no one on my tiny street was paying any attention anyway. Sleepovers, meals in the garden, sharing cars, lots of visitors in general. I live near school staff and they were the worst for it. Gives me no confidence in school.
I anticipate all of GM will be red by the end of the week.

Did parts of Manchester shut down in the first place?

Weren’t people still going to a local pub, house parties etc throughout?

The problem I have is up and down the country millions put their life on hold but certain areas carried on as normal.

It appears that whilst the government are saying certain areas are needing to lockdown it looks like a lot of the these area were predominantly the areas that were very lax in the first place and they took no notice then so why do we think they are going to take any notice now?

Based on today’s figures I think
Bolton now on about 160
Tameside now at about 85,
Salford about 82
Oldham 73
Rochdale 72
Manchester 71
Bury 64
Wigan and Trafford both on about 35
Stockport 32

All from this site
trafforddatalab.shinyapps.io/local_covid-19/

Average UK rate is now I think 26...

@Oliversmumsarmy

Did parts of Manchester shut down in the first place?

Weren’t people still going to a local pub, house parties etc throughout?

The problem I have is up and down the country millions put their life on hold but certain areas carried on as normal.

It appears that whilst the government are saying certain areas are needing to lockdown it looks like a lot of the these area were predominantly the areas that were very lax in the first place and they took no notice then so why do we think they are going to take any notice now?

Of course Manchester shut down. There will have been some people not following the rules but I don't think we were worse than anywhere else. My sister is in London vans I think people were relaxing rules more quickly there than near me.

I was just looking at bits of news during the first few weeks of lockdown and I am sure I read the police having to break up over 600 gatherings including some street parties.

Are you saying these didn’t exist and the news was wrong?

From the MEN today.

No I am not saying the news was wrong. I am saying that as far as I could tell people in Greater Manchester kept to the rules as much as many other places. There have been raves and large parties etc in London for example.

I am in London and walked out to what is normally a very busy road.
Long dual carriageway. You could see for nearly a mile in either direction and there wasn’t a vehicle on the road.

There is a supermarket in the next town and on the journeys there more times than not I didn’t see a sole till I got to the supermarket car park.

It was quite eerie.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/gmp-coronavirus-legislation-law-parties-18729821.amp

This was just in one weekend.

Ooh I was quite close except for Bury (goes to check calculation...)

Yep I missed a whole day out!

I can only speak for what I saw in GM, not for the entire conurbation, but compliance seemed very high in the first couple of months. People were barely out!