First English pubs to close in Covid scares DAYS after lockdown eased.

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/first-english-pubs-close-coronavirus-22311408

First English pubs to close in coronavirus scares days after lockdown eased
The Lighthouse Kitchen & Carvery in Burnham-on-Sea, The Fox & Hounds, in Batley, West Yorkshire, and The Village Home Pub in Alverstoke, Hampshire, have all announced a customers has tested positive for coronavirus

@Derbygerbil it was a little while ago that I read it but il try and find it again.
Possibly more propaganda put out their by the government before getting people to go back to work to help them feel safe but hopefully it’s true.

It was along the lines of reports from frontline doctors saying that the worst cases being treated now no longer need the most extreme measures like proning and intubation

@Useruseruserusee

I can believe people would go to the pub with symptoms. Last week we had a child with symptoms (fever and cough) come to school. Obviously it will be a tiny minority that will do this but it will happen.

But we must think of the economy, that's all that's important didn't you know! 🙄

One of those pubs is near me and the pub announced it on their Facebook page.

@underneaththeash

DS had a test last Friday at 11.30am. the result was texted to me at 6am saturday. That's SE bucks so yes, the can come through really fast (his was negative and he was fine 24 hours later).

That's what things are going to be like for the next few months, things open, they find a case and then they shut. I would prefer that, rather than everything being closed - we have to least try.

@underneaththeash

I think there's an economic risk to this 'open, close, open, close' unfortunately.

I just cba to go to a place if I have to book, give my details, behave differently when there and then potentially wait for a call telling me to self-isilate.

The numbers closing need to be very low or too many people may think it's too much hassle to go.

We needed cases lower before unlocking IMO, so then we could unlock with more confidence, it's a tortoise and hare thing I think. Scotland was tortoise, England the hare. Time will tell, I don't have a crystal ball.

But I am not able to go out for a meal yet, because it feels like there could be faff involved.

This is all I could find and it’s just being reported from doctors in Italy -

metro.co.uk/2020/06/21/coronavirus-weakening-may-die-without-vaccine-expert-claims-12882677/

The only doctors I know work in A&E and are not on the front line to see so can’t give any confirmation whether true or not from a first hand perspective

[quote Rebelwithallthecause]@Derbygerbil it was a little while ago that I read it but il try and find it again.
Possibly more propaganda put out their by the government before getting people to go back to work to help them feel safe but hopefully it’s true.

It was along the lines of reports from frontline doctors saying that the worst cases being treated now no longer need the most extreme measures like proning and intubation[/quote]
I read this is also because the average age of those catching it is now falling as it is people in work etc. not older people (most of home have limited contacts now).

@labyrinthloafer that makes a lot of sense

One of these pubs is near me. Apparently the guy saw a post from his barber on Sunday saying the barber had tested positive, so he went for a test and rang the pub on Monday morning to say it was positive.

Which does beg a few questions.

1. Why was the barber working on Saturday if he was either feeling ill, or knew he was awaiting test results.
2. Why was it the pub goer that contactEd the venue and not track and trace.
3. With that time line, the pub goer must have got a same day test when he rang on Sunday, and got the results in less than 24 hours, which is impressively fast, yet track and trace have still not contacted the pub for the list of customers, which is available.
4. He contracted the virus Saturday morning, and had a positive test the very next day. What happened to the incubation period?

[quote labyrinthloafer]@ElizabethMainwaring

Will you be required to return do you think? I'm sorry about the stress. I think there are so many people with higher risk in their families. We haven't had a very human response to this situation in England. Whatever mistakes have been made in Wales/NI/Scotland too, they've managed to sound like it affects people.[/quote]
So far it appears that it's going to be very .
much business as usual.
I read the government guidelines last Thursday and there was no mention of ecv teachers, families or children.
The NEU hasn't said a great deal yet either.
Tbh I'm really trying to give it as little thought as possible as God knows what the situation will be like in two months time.
I also think that maybe the government are just saying that the schools are all opening full time for everyone just to shut people up.
I find it hard to believe that they actually think that their 'plan' is achievable.

Every single restriction that has been lifted, people have complained. And they'll continue to complain at every step but claim they don't want lockdown forever just tilll X, Y or Z happens....or another 2 weeks....or till we have a vaccine.

New infections are in the hundreds per day in a population of 66 million. Many areas are going days with no new infections or just a handful. Yes there will be a small increase with every step because that's what happens when people go out more and interact more.

Local lockdowns/closures in areas where infections are rising is happening and should happen and that's it. Gradual steps to some kind of functioning economy is needed.

Has to be fake news.

@labyrinthloafer - don't go then, that's completely your choice. I want the choice and don't mind if I have to give my details.

We also (as most people realise) have to get the economy going or there will be no money for schools, the NHS, social care etc, etc, etc.

Social distancing is going to be here for a long, long time and we need to learn to live with it.

What's the point in closing the pubs?
Surely that particular horse has already bolted?

Because the staff will be among those who now have to isolate so can't work.

@ICouldBeTheOne

That shows the system working. That's a good thing.

These are only the ones we know of.

@ICouldBeTheOne

Every single restriction that has been lifted, people have complained. And they'll continue to complain at every step but claim they don't want lockdown forever just tilll X, Y or Z happens....or another 2 weeks....or till we have a vaccine.

New infections are in the hundreds per day in a population of 66 million. Many areas are going days with no new infections or just a handful. Yes there will be a small increase with every step because that's what happens when people go out more and interact more.

Local lockdowns/closures in areas where infections are rising is happening and should happen and that's it. Gradual steps to some kind of functioning economy is needed.

New cases each day are much higher than you quote. The official test figures are only a small part of the picture. Most still do not have a test.

@Ellmau

*What's the point in closing the pubs? Surely that particular horse has already bolted?*

Because the staff will be among those who now have to isolate so can't work.

Of course. Stupid me. So with all the other people who can't go to work (and hopefully they won't) it does make one wonder if it's all worth it. I can't see many pubs surviving this crisis in the long term.

[quote underneaththeash]@labyrinthloafer - don't go then, that's completely your choice. I want the choice and don't mind if I have to give my details.

We also (as most people realise) have to get the economy going or there will be no money for schools, the NHS, social care etc, etc, etc.

Social distancing is going to be here for a long, long time and we need to learn to live with it.[/quote]
My point is, just saying 'don't go then' like you're eight years old is not going to help our economy is it? There are millions of people like me.

We need a proper plan, because I 100% agree there is a serious economic crisis in place.

But if you look at our society, and understand anything about humans, many individuals when asked to choose between health and the economy will choose health.

So we need a plan that puts economy and health together.

This isn't like a political issue - one side can't win, because we need the spending power of all of us. Especially pensioners, who are most at risk from this virus. You can't bully them out of their houses so it has to be done properly.

And? My city of half a million people had 4 yesterday. Even if it's higher than 4, what do you want?

Pubs closed again? Till when?

This does worry me as I work in a pub and even though measures are in place I don't feel particularly safe. How will pubs opening not lead to an increase in infections? People using the toilets, same pen to sign in, regulars all standing around together(1 metre apart but indoors) Hope I'm wrong!!

@ICouldBeTheOne

And? My city of half a million people had 4 yesterday. Even if it's higher than 4, what do you want?

Pubs closed again? Till when?

I don't want pubs closed.

I want a proper plan, for both the economy and health.

Honesty from the government.

Interventions properly thought through and working, especially track and trace.

Masks mandated in public.

[quote GalesThisMorning]@EnlightenedOwl we are not all locked up. Clearly. But with the loosening of restrictions will come a rise in infections. This is just what's going to happen. It's not mongering of any sort to say that. Local lockdowns will be a thing. People will catch the virus from other people in places outside their home. This is just what's happening in the world, we can comment on it without it becoming a call to lockdown again.[/quote]
Actually we need to get back to normal

I mean 3 out of the hundreds and hundreds of public places reopened (let's not forget it wasnt just pubs, it was bars, restaurants, cafes, hairdressers) is not actually that shocking or unexpected. the virus hasnt gone has it, there was obviously going to be a few places that this happened with. what's the point and purpose of this thread?

That is so gobsmackingly simplistic that I'm not even sure why I am bothering to comment

is anyone cleaning the pen you use the sign in?

The virus has changed things for many people, therefore things have changed for society.

You may think that everyone should get back to normal, but you're just shouting into the wind. You can't bully people into feeling differently.

With proper leadership and a plan, you could get somewhere. But whatever it is will take a little time.