First English pubs to close in Covid scares DAYS after lockdown eased.

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/first-english-pubs-close-coronavirus-22311408

First English pubs to close in coronavirus scares days after lockdown eased
The Lighthouse Kitchen & Carvery in Burnham-on-Sea, The Fox & Hounds, in Batley, West Yorkshire, and The Village Home Pub in Alverstoke, Hampshire, have all announced a customers has tested positive for coronavirus

Ooh let’s all have a second wave shall we?

@Rebelwithallthecause

I do not agree yoga is higher risk than a pub after seeing the photos of this weekend.

Unless people do yoga drunk in huddles hugging and kissing each other

Pubs with social distancing is lower risk than a yoga class imo due to the nature of the activity.

Whether drunk people maintain social distancing is another matter.

Pubs are considered symbolic by people like Boris and Farage. Yoga, not so much

@labyrinthloafer
Aah, thank you. My husband is shielding too.
God knows what is going to happen.
I'm not sure if my mental health could survive going back.

That shows the system working. That's a good thing.

The person could have been tested routinely, lots of health care workers and care home workers are now, so could have been tested Thursday/Friday, got the results on Sunday. May never have had any symptoms or reason to suspect it would be positive. This is where tracing should come into its own, if everyone does what they are supposed to in terms of isolating.

"Ooh let's all stay locked up shall we"

It's not eirther/or

You do realise that other approaches to phased opening exist. Ones that don't include a 'Super Saturday'

I suppose it's inevitable that this will continue to happen. The rises in cases in America are coinciding with indoor activities: restaurants, bars etc. Poor ventilated spaces with lots of different people sharing space for extended periods of times just seems a bad idea right now. I get that the economy needs us to be good consumers but personally I have no desire to go in a pub for quite awhile.

Also I agree that the much vaunted 'common sense' and 'individual risk assessment' may prove problematic moving forward.

I’m now wondering how many people have had positive tests and not informed the pubs they went to this weekend

Just seems so irresponsible

Not to mention people who have symptoms but put themselves in the ‘it can’t be COVID’ camp and therefore go about as normal just assuming they have a cold

And many more asymptomatic carriers too

What an absolute shit show

Thank goodness they say the disease is mutating to be less dangerous (if that’s anything to be believed even)

@ElizabethMainwaring

Will you be required to return do you think? I'm sorry about the stress. I think there are so many people with higher risk in their families. We haven't had a very human response to this situation in England. Whatever mistakes have been made in Wales/NI/Scotland too, they've managed to sound like it affects people.

Other countries are stimulating the economy by knocking back vat so people are spending more than socialising in large groups more.

Nothing will be enough here though

@Crosswithlifeatm

So the pubs opened Saturday,if you realised early next morning that you felt unwell even if you got a test Sunday it's unlikely that you'd get a result on Monday. Anyway,the pubs have all contacts names so track and trace can get busy.

It depends where you are, some results come through same day where I live

@Rebelwithallthecause When you say 'they' say it is mutating - who says this? I am sceptical of this.

@EnlightenedOwl we are not all locked up. Clearly. But with the loosening of restrictions will come a rise in infections. This is just what's going to happen. It's not mongering of any sort to say that. Local lockdowns will be a thing. People will catch the virus from other people in places outside their home. This is just what's happening in the world, we can comment on it without it becoming a call to lockdown again.

Yep. That's how the system is meant to work. Good to know the principle is sound even if there will undoubtedly be people that ignore it.

One of those pubs closed due to a staff member testing +. A back room staff member so they are telling customers they don't have to self-isolate.

Why are they closing pubs after one case when a school or year bubble will apparently need multiple confirmed cases before that is appropriate?

This virus does not seem to mutate partucuoaroymquickoy. There are a couple of more distinct variations - and the disease rates between countries and the severity/number of deaths - may well be down to which type rather than superior policies.

There is good evidence that it transmits less readily in warm and hot sunny weather. This might also lead to milder disease as viral load might be lessened in some types of transmissions, and severity of thus disease seems to be linked to that

I’m not concerned about the people who tested positive and then told the pub. They are more likely to have been responsible and observed social distancing... I’m more concerned about those who wouldn’t have bothered to get tested or tell the pub, as I imagine they would be the kind of selfish and irresponsible person that wouldn’t have bothered about with any of the rules.

"Why are they closing pubs after one case when a school or year bubble will apparently need multiple confirmed cases before that is appropriate?"

Because children get it more mildly (though worth noting they're throwing the tens of thousands of about-to-be-deshielded DC into that environment.

And as role of asymptomatic/lightly symptomatic infected people, by age, in transmission is not well,known, they're banking on it being low too. And indeed it might be

I was tested last Sunday morning, had results in the early hours of Monday morning. Its more than possible.

Or maybe as others have said they were waiting on test results.

I’m more concerned about those who wouldn’t have bothered to get tested or tell the pub

I'm most concerned about those who are asymptomatic, so do not know there is anything to test for, let alone tell

Good article on BBC website about the 'sioentnspreaders'

DS had a test last Friday at 11.30am. the result was texted to me at 6am saturday. That's SE bucks so yes, the can come through really fast (his was negative and he was fine 24 hours later).

That's what things are going to be like for the next few months, things open, they find a case and then they shut. I would prefer that, rather than everything being closed - we have to least try.

@Rebelwithallthecause

Thank goodness they say the disease is mutating to be less dangerous

Where did you get this from? I’ve not seen any evidence to support this.

I’ve seen reports from Italy that indicate there is less virus present in positive tests than there was back in March, which some people pounced on as “proof” it was mutating....... but that’s more readily explained by the fact it was only the very sickest patients being tested back in March (who’s have likely had very high viral loads), whereas now they are testing people with much milder symptoms or who are asymptomatic.

Well that is the whole point in giving in your details,
do you have to give your contact details at the hairdressers?
you should.

@walksen

Why are they closing pubs after one case when a school or year bubble will apparently need multiple confirmed cases before that is appropriate?

Well quite, one of the reasons the school approach looks so stupid.