First English pubs to close in Covid scares DAYS after lockdown eased.

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/first-english-pubs-close-coronavirus-22311408

First English pubs to close in coronavirus scares days after lockdown eased
The Lighthouse Kitchen & Carvery in Burnham-on-Sea, The Fox & Hounds, in Batley, West Yorkshire, and The Village Home Pub in Alverstoke, Hampshire, have all announced a customers has tested positive for coronavirus

It's possible, dd was tested at 8am Sunday and had results mid evening. If they went to the pub Saturday, woke up coughing Sunday am that is

You are most infectious just before you develop symptoms, so it’s not impossible

Where are those of you with fast test responses living?Here they are definatly taking longer than 24 hours.All hospital patients are tested and results are taking more than 24 hrs.We have a limited amount of fast tests mostly used for patients having urgent surgery and some maternity cases ,these only take a few hours to turn around but are limited

@Crosswithlifeatm that’s my experience too and I’m just on outskirts of London

All of us were tested in hospital last week and we’ve also had the tests you request online

All take longer than 24 hours

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53320155

Only 22% of people testing positive for coronavirus reported having symptoms on the day of their test, according to the Office for National Statistics.

It obviously depends where you live. The Welsh health minister just said 50% of test results were back within 24 hours. He was asked why the turnaround wasn’t quicker.

Back when they first started talking about track and trace, it was mentioned on here that it would be ripe for prankers. Surely It's entirely possible some nobheads have just gone to the pub, then claimed to have tested positive just for a wind up?

What stops another pub in the same town shutting down one of their competitors by getting someone to claim to be positive?

just 1 asymptomatic person can spread the virus to everyone else in the premises.
Wasn't there research published only a couple of weeks ago saying asymptomatic people aren't likely to spread the virus?

What confuses me is, if you are in a pub outside at a table, 2 metres from somebody else, are you supposed to quarantine for 14 days if somebody tests positive?

What if you were both in a quiet pub garden seated nowhere near one another?

It does rather put you off going to a pub!

@isthiswalter

just 1 asymptomatic person can spread the virus to everyone else in the premises. Wasn't there research published only a couple of weeks ago saying asymptomatic people aren't likely to spread the virus?

Asymptomatic people seem unlikely to spread it, according to WHO.

Pre-symptomatic people are highly capable of spreading it.

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras I only had one ear on it cos I was having lunch but Matt was framing the pub closures as positive evidence of track and trace working - so I think so.

@BlueBrian

What stops another pub in the same town shutting down one of their competitors by getting someone to claim to be positive?

Isn't that where test and trace comes in? My understanding is that the + person is contacted by test and trace and they go through everywhere they went and everyone they had contact with, then test and trace contact those. That's how it was described on the news, with t & t people talking about training they'd had about jogging people's memories.

The problem in these cases though are that we have someone telling a pub he's had a positive test(no proof)and the pub informing everyone on their books.Shouldnt the man be referred to the NHS track and trace team,test verified and it goes from there to prevent malicious reporting.?

@Crosswithlifeatm

The problem in these cases though are that we have someone telling a pub he's had a positive test(no proof)and the pub informing everyone on their books.Shouldnt the man be referred to the NHS track and trace team,test verified and it goes from there to prevent malicious reporting.?

That's what's meant to happen I think. Do we actually know what's happened here? Maybe test and trace have contacted the pub and the pub has put a notice on SM?

@CountessFrog no, my understanding is that track and trace would (hopefully!) contact you and ask the relevant questions about your movements that night to try and plot if you are at risk. If you are telling them that you stay on a table with only your party and were distanced from anyone else, and weren’t eg in a queue for the toilets for 20m or anything like that then I believe they just advise you that you are not a close contact and no need to isolate. They aren’t just calling everyone up and telling them to isolate, it’s a bit more detailed than that.

@Crosswithlifeatm I’m based in London and took a home test on a Friday at 3pm, posted at 5.30pm for 6.30pm collection, received the results on Saturday midnight so around 33 hrs from testing which I was impressed with given the post and weekend aspects.

The three pubs involved seem to have been -

• The Lighthouse Inn - posted on Facebook that a customer tested positive and that they were going through their customer lists. No mention of test and trace

• Fox and Hounds - closed because a staff member tested positive, so cleaning the pub and testing all staff. Nothing said about notifying test and trace or customers

• The Village Home - said "We have had a case of Coronavirus in the pub which means that some of us are in isolation. The pub is now shut but all being well will open again on Saturday. Anyone who was in the pub over the weekend there is no need to isolate unless you show symptoms or are contacted direct by the trace group". So at least there T&T is involved. Sounds like a member of staff there too.

@isthiswalter

just 1 asymptomatic person can spread the virus to everyone else in the premises. Wasn't there research published only a couple of weeks ago saying asymptomatic people aren't likely to spread the virus?

No, one of the biggest issues with covid is asymptomatic people spread it. That's why it is hard to avoid!

@PatriciaHolm

The three pubs involved seem to have been -

• The Lighthouse Inn - posted on Facebook that a customer tested positive and that they were going through their customer lists. No mention of test and trace

• Fox and Hounds - closed because a staff member tested positive, so cleaning the pub and testing all staff. Nothing said about notifying test and trace or customers

• The Village Home - said "We have had a case of Coronavirus in the pub which means that some of us are in isolation. The pub is now shut but all being well will open again on Saturday. Anyone who was in the pub over the weekend there is no need to isolate unless you show symptoms or are contacted direct by the trace group". So at least there T&T is involved. Sounds like a member of staff there too.

If test and trace aren't.involved then what on earth is the point of having it?

If test and trace aren't involved then what on earth is the point of having it?

Well, I don't think we can draw conclusions based on the Facebook pages of 3 pubs. If the people involved actual had positive tests, test and trace would know that and be contacting them to find out their contacts. The pub may have posted on Facebook before that happened.

The nations dependence on alcohol needs to stop

Ah yes because closing the pubs helped didn't it? Oh wait... People have actually consumed much more alcohol during lockdown.

It's not the amounts of consumption that's the problem. It's the free for all behaviour that results (and not just during this) and the fact that people tend to just get away with making the choice to get utterly shit faced and then behave like an arsehole, "Because they were drunk".
The ones serving the alcohol are the ones that get the fines and penalties if people drink to excess and cause trouble, not the ones actually doing it. Of course alcohol should be sold responsibly, but should also be consumed sensibly and if it's not, and problems arise, those actually drinking the stuff held responsible for their own actions.
All to easy to go out and get plastered, behave like an idiot and know all you'll suffer is a hangover. Maybe a night in a&e or the cells if you're unlucky. No lasting concequences, not for you anyway.
And who have we got responsible for other people's behaviour and drinking? Minimum wage and minimum trained bar staff.
The licensing laws are contradictory at best, take the fact that's often said on here about it being perfectly legal to give a child over 5 alcohol in your own home - it is, but it's also illegal to sell that alcohol to you for that reason. And who gets the penalties if that happens? The person selling it.
There's been an awful lot of threads over the years I've been here about people being refused alcohol for various reasons, and everyone is always so up in arms about it, telling people like me we've got no common sense, we're power crazed jobsworths etc.
Well this is the result, people knowing they can do what the fuck they like and not be held accountable. The concequences are held by the establishment, the people serving and the innocent bystanders that happened to be there at the time and caught up in it.

@labyrinthloafer apparently not.

time.com/5850256/who-asymptomatic-spread/

@Rosiesma I agree with a lot of what you've posted.

People have become entitled and selfish - they are oblivious to the result of their actions and care more about going out on the lash and getting rat-arsed as they so eloquently put it, but are clueless about the burden placed on the emergency services, the police, even their family at home.

The number of threads we get in here where someone has gone missing, AWOL, then come back home at any hour they choose and wrecks the family's weekend as they sleep off their hangover. Yet it seems to be normalised, gah why shouldn't they let their hair down etc. Hmm right.

It's shameful, in other European countries they have a completely different attitude and relationship to alcohol, UK never seem to learn. I couldn't think of a less enjoyable thing to do than rush out last weekend the first opportunity the pubs opened, because I knew that even if I tried to stay safe, you could guarantee there would be a bunch of muppets who couldn't control themselves.

Knowing one of these pubs I can’t imagine they would have had to track and trace more than two people... it’s a right (unpopular) dive !