Tracking and tracing (certain individuals) (5)

[SouthWestmom]

Here it is - we are still slightly outraged

I think the point is that it is happening in the middle of a pandemic, and by it I mean police brutality specifically impacting on the black community. It was of course horrific, but if you’re black, it was anything but shocking - it’s commonplace. Unfortunately, it’s not just America it impacts, racism is prevalent in the U.K. and in the U.K. justice system as well. The reason the protests/riots are happening in a pandemic is because the black community have been continually brutalised.

Imagine feeling that your only option was to protest in the middle of a pandemic? White supremacy has driven that, not the protesters.

nazir afzal
@nazirafzal
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Asked how we’ll know “track & trace” call requiring you to isolate is genuine
Govt’s answer via Jenny Harries is that “it will be evident from how they speak”
I spent a lifetime prosecuting people speaking professionally while taking your money & your lives
#DowningStreetBriefing

twitter.com/nazirafzal/status/1267123381285027842?s=20

I’ve been really down about it all today. The way it’s being spun as we’re nearing the end of it, so out you all go and play! I don’t know how we have arrived at this point from ‘many of you will lose loved ones before their time’ when Covid19 is still doing its thing in many places.
The scientists are being sidelined and ignored and I’ve lost faith in the ones wheeled out for the daily updates.
That must be very difficult, Aloha. I have to work with some ‘it’s just the flu’ types and it’s frustrating trying to address it.

Point about scientists neatly illustrated by Harries’ comments in my crosspost with Helena
It’s not even that they haven’t got a clue, like many politicians. They do have a clue, what they lack is any degree of fucks.

I don't disagree and I see people's desperation, but honestly risking your own lives and those of your loved ones, and others, isn't the way to go.

Justice system will not be changed by protests or rioting. It will be changed once those currently in power go away. Which hopefully might be closer than we think, both in the US and in the UK. I've just seen Epstein's files have been exposed and if these documents are verified then I cannot see how this is anything else but the end of Donald Trump.

Equally, as we said before, Johnson is a PM on borrowed time for other reasons.

This is when hopefully more suitable leaders will be selected and the real changes for better will start happening.

I was pondering a point today!

I wonder if the reason we are still seeing and seeing more and more very large groups of young people was perhaps the original messaging.

It was always old people and underlying health conditions. That's true statistically despite there being a risk to others it is still small and from what I can gather no larger to those than the anomalies of deaths by flu. Perhaps that's why we get "it's just flu" idiotic comments.

I wonder if the messaging needed to be stronger with regards transmission and the outward transmission to parents and then older people. Or maybe less real emphasis on it not really affecting the young?

I don't know, and maybe it wouldn't change it - but it still sticks in my mind those very early briefings of old and underlying conditions and shielding and clinically vulnerable.

Yes, that's a large group. But when they say 2mil and it's a population of 67 mil people it paints an image in some minds of it really being such a small number of people.

Does anyone get what I mean? Do you agree? What's your thoughts?

I'm enjoying this thread. Lots if great discussions coming out despite it being started for a fundamental cock up!

I do think more should have been done about othering people with ‘underlying conditions ‘ itsgettingweird. But making everyone take a minute to think about how it is spread and who suffers the most wasn’t going to get the economy going again, was it

See I don’t know if I have any underlying health conditions. What worries me is no one knows this virus could leave you. I’m white, late 30s and I might be okay but I might not and I might be left with health issues. I just don’t know. I suppose it sounds very pessimistic. But hearing from the science helps me believe that by staying home as much as possible that’s the right thing. They aren’t even now saying what age these 8000 a day new cases are.

The people who ARE being left with long term health issues after having COVID......................if they are left unable to work (whether temporarily or permanently how much help will they get. Will they have to jump through hoops for it?

Do you remember the early in thing that nurofen made it worse? I can't have that because I have a bleeding disorder. Did anyone ever explain that?

As for any help. Haha haha. There won't be any special treatment

Wasn’t it to do with damping down inflammation not being a good thing if you had Covid19? Not enough evidence to suggest it had any effect though, is the current thinking.

Ah that's interesting. I didn't know what the effect that was undesirable was.

I meant from the start saucery right now we do need the economy going.

But groups of 15/20 young people sitting in a park isnt doing that. It is spreading the virus though as I think they actually don't see that as it's always been said "mild symptoms or no symptoms".

I remember the ibuprofen thing. It was certainly around when I had it (well suspect) and also at that time was suggestion anti histamine helped.

Still following. Thank you all.

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twitter.com/simoncarter27/status/1267093212558213120?s=20

Simon Carter
@simoncarter27
So,my wife’s virus test has come back negative,which is surprising as the tests were never picked up to be processed.........wierd.

Well it was all rather jolly and upbeat on the briefing this evening wasn't it? Felt like Handjob was actually enjoying himself 😂

I was thinking that it is beginning to resemble some kind of game show.
Sort of....
Points mean prizes. What do points mean? PRIZES!

I missed it. Not sure I could stomach watching that little dick and his smug face.

Some days though I swing between wondering if I’m mad staying in whilst people start to return to normal or sensible when the country comes crashing down again.

DP and I feel really deflated this evening. We went for our walk with DS and there are so many Massive groups here and SO much litter. It felt quite overwhelming and upsetting - we’re in wales so only allowed two households meeting and only supposed to travel five miles. There were definitely cars from Cheshire etc

Iran are heading to a second peak

Government are trying to distance Cummings from a sec discrimination case.

Two headlines from today

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/01/government-fails-to-distance-dominic-cummings-from-sex-discrimination-case-boris-johnson

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/robert-jenrick-met-police-westferry_uk_5ed51afec5b66d911c47ecdf?76

@HeIenaDove I can't believe that story hasn't gained more traction. Total disgrace!