Surely everyone who was going to die from corona will do eventually

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Unless we all stay locked up at home forever or unless a vaccination or cure is discovered.

The message from scientists seems to be that a vaccine is likely to be developed eventually. But you need to be prepared to isolate yourself for a year or so until then. So for the vast majority of us who can't or don't want to do that, I think you're probably right.

What an incredible observation!

There is a percentage that can recover with appropriate medical care if available. Those are the ones that'll be saved by slowing the spread.

only some of the younger victims would have lived much longer and not left you g children etc behind.

Even those in case homes might have had another few good years with their loved ones.

Can you elaborate what the point of your post is? You observation is stunning though. Brilliant mind!

plenty of nurses/doctors/hospital porters, taken too soon

I think we'll find a treatment combination that will make CV more survivable before we'll get a reliable vaccine. That's not to say people wont still die from it, just as people still die from treatable diseases and illnesses every day.

We cannot stay locked down though. Eventually the extra anxious amongst us will have to realise that and release them and their families back into the world (caveat for the shielded obviously).

I think the next problem we'll face is convincing those people that it ok to go about daily life with the virus still around, like we do with flu.

Depends on how you view things.

I’ve always believed that if your numbers up your numbers up. So I don’t believe people die too soon - it was their time. It’s sad for everyone left behind but it was their number time

I'm in Ireland, we have the smallest number of ICU beds in Europe. If the virus had been allowed to rampage freely through our country many many more people would have died from a lack of intensive care.

The thing is 15% of people need hospital treatment, and 1% die if hospital treatment is available. What isn't clear is how many of the 15% die if hospital treatment isn't generally available.

Or how many people died at home from covid after 111 didn't send them to hospital.

It’s just all the people who are being so reluctant to move on from lockdown, healthy people unwilling to put themselves in any situation that isn’t 100% risk free. I appreciate it’s a obvious statement but it’s as if they think it will magically go away.

Well I guess death is the only guarantee in life.

The undertaker is always guaranteed a market. But they seem busier than usual.

All these people who “were going to die anyway” were someone’s child, sibling, partner, parent, friend, colleague etc. For every one of these people who have lost their lives many others are suffering grief.
But hey as long as people aren’t being inconvenienced right?

Well if we can implement a test and trace system like South Korea the numbers will be low enough that the whole population won’t need to get it. This is what we need to do. Shielding the vulnerable isn’t really possible as the my are such a large portion of the population and require care. And need hospital appointments etc. They can’t stay locked up indefinitely

Yes, but not all at the same time. Which means hospital beds will be more freely available, so those that weren't going to due can be saved.

That was the point of lockdown.

Not necessarily. Track and contain measures have been very successful in the last in limiting or slowing the spread and ultimately eliminating a disease with far lower attrition levels if the speed is slowed to such an extent that an effective vaccine can be implemented. Essentially flu vaccines are modified regularly to keep pace with adaptations there so something similar may need to be found for Covid.

Lockdown can’t continue for ever but it has bought us time to implement effective track and trace measures if we can get the infection rate under control (and we aren’t there yet) then that should give us some hope of protecting more people from the worst health outcomes and give scientists more time to study and come up with potential treatments. At present the ventilator is again a time solution giving the individual more time to fight the disease but not actually a cure in itself. That we do not have yet.

You'll die eventually too. You may not feel you've finished with life when you do.

Well, I hope not! DH and I have been looking at the stats recently published and trying to estimate my son's chance of dying from Coronavirus. He has two underlying conditions, both of which are rare in children - they make up 0.04% of the population.

There is not data on children with his condition having caught the virus and it is possible that hasn't happen yet.

But adults with this condition have died and make up 26% of all deaths.

I don't think at 12 his number should be up

I'll be doing whatever it takes to keep him safe, it doesn't matter to me how long that takes or what the impact is on my life.

People need to view this as a problem of the whole country and not view it from a selfish standpoint

I've been looking into the figures and have done some modelling and it turns out things are MUCH WORSE than they are telling us.

In fact EVERYONE is going to die eventually.

It's shocking. When are the government going to be held to account?

We must never emerge from lockdown. The risks of living our lives are simply too great.

Even the elderly could have lived another decade, Many of those with underlying conditions could have had a long life, those with no conditions including children could have lived a long life.

It’s not ok to cut that short.

But who those people are, and how many of them will vary enormously, depending on how well the outbreak is controlled at a population level.

No-one thinks it’s just going to magically go away.

That is an Internet over—reaction to longer-term changes. Those changes reduce transmission so that fewer people die (any cause, because health services not overwhelmed)

I think we need test/track/trace fully in place (not just on a Boris promise) before lifting any further restrictions

Dying because you’re very unwell and can’t be saved is one thing, dying due to inadequate medical care because hospitals are overwhelmed is quite another.

Dying because you contracted a virus in your workplace because of inadequate/non-existent PPE is yet another thing entirely.

@MinesAPintOfTea your post has got me wondering how many people have died/will die from non corona related issues while we’re keeping hospitals empty waiting to try to save people who have corona. For example at what point will we accept the massive advances in treating cancer are in jeopardy. Unnecessary deaths from non corona illnesses are just as tragic.

So it's my opinion that x amount of people (roughly 1% of those that contract covid) will die unless there is treatment or vaccine.

With lockdown and prevention measures that x number will remain the same but it will happen over a longer period of time.

Without lockdown the x number will occur over a very short period of time, but during that time you may have additional deaths due to people not being able to acsess medical care that would have otherwise survived with it.

But yes, you can't reduce the x number without a vaccine or treatment.

Kinda amazed by people who basically say my right to not be locked down is so great that others, who are more vulnerable, should be even more Tightly locked down For way longer. Or my right to do what I want is so great, others should die needlessly or far earlier than normal.