Surely everyone who was going to die from corona will do eventually

[sunshineanddaffodils]

Unless we all stay locked up at home forever or unless a vaccination or cure is discovered.

You could argue that by locking down for 8 weeks, we allowed the NHS to get Coronavirus cases over with, so that they can treat the usual cancer and other illnesses without the virus ripping through hospitals for at least a year putting everyone sick in grave danger. Imagine the fear of going into hospital if Covid had been tearing through the population uncontrolled?
There are now protocols in place for patients to continue non-Covid treatments. We wouldn't be able to say that without the lockdown and getting transmission numbers low. (Ideally we would have locked down earlier and had track and trace of course).

Surely everyone who was going to die from being shot twice in the head as they were stood near a person wearing green and the rules say you will be shot for standing next to a person in green will die eventually anyway? Why can't I wear green and stand next to people? I won't get shot.

Thank God the rest of the world didn’t share the attitude of the British Conservative Party and US Republicans.

And the Brazilian President.

If we all wear one of these this summer we will be fine
As long as we don't lick any lamp posts that is

These threads are getting more and more disgusting.

The title of this thread is fucking ridiculous. Everyone is going to die eventually so why bother with a health service at all? Let's just leave it to nature to decide who lives, who dies, who recovers from an illness. That's what the op is calling for after all.

So many people on here shouting "I'm alright Jack, pull the ladder up". Would you all be so quick if it were you or your loved one at high risk of even seriously ill with Covid but not able to get a hospital bed because the NHS had collapsed under the strain of an unchecked pandemic?

You're in the position to moan about lockdown, to moan about the economy, to moan about schools only because lockdown happened. Without it, you'd be looking at hundreds of thousands of dead people, mass burials etc, mourning loved ones, not moaning about schools being closed and not being able to go out for a latte.

@sunshineanddaffodils
If there's no vaccine or treatment though, what else are you suggesting we do as a society to stop anyone dying from corona

I don't understand where you're coming from with this, OP. It's true there's no vaccine but there IS treatment. Hundreds are being saved every day, in fact for every coronavirus death in hospital, two survive. And they are not fated to die eventually, if a vaccine isn't produced.

• Ventilators save lives
• CPAP machines save lives
• Some drugs save lives - there's a triple trial going on right now using HIV & MS drugs
• Intensive care nursing saves lives

If none of the above happened, we'd have a bigger death toll. What's not to be understood about that? A lot of people have latched onto your comments because they seem to express fatalism - ie if they're going to die anyway, why bother, if it affects others, eg cancer patients.

But coronavirus is just like cancer, except it's pandemic right now. We have to turn a big chunk of our medical attention to it, to stop it killing half a million. And yes, that does have an effect on sufferers from other diseases, of course it does. But Covid-19 sufferers are no more destined to die than cancer patients are. So I'm suggesting we carry on doing what we're doing now to stop people dying from corona. It works.

The only alternative interpretation of your words I can come up with is that you were being sarcastic, ie 'What ELSE are you suggesting we do as a society to stop anyone dying from corona', with the clear implication that you think we are already doing too much, and should therefore do less. So, maybe your viewpoint is actually more like "I'm PISSED OFF about all these bloody corona patients clogging up the hospitals, stopping people with proper diseases from getting treatment." Covid is muscling in on the NHS, and you're resentful. But that's pandemics for you, OP. They demand attention, and we jump, precisely because we want to survive this with a functioning NHS and an economy capable of recovery. Half a million dead - how many of them would you have described as 'going to die anyway'? - would bugger our chances of both of those outcomes, but you sound like you're moaning because a pandemic virus is taking up too much of our attention. That's odd.