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Kier Starmer

243 replies

DBML · 07/05/2020 20:11

Anyone see him on the news?

Clapping for a few moments for the NHS and then asking the camera crew if they got what they needed.

I was a little disappointed as, although I’m sure it wasn’t, it came across a bit like fake compassion.

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JamieLeeCurtains · 11/05/2020 17:33

I've never seen anything like it.

I assume the Tory Party is plotting to get shot of him, and Raab.

FliesandPies · 11/05/2020 18:24

But then who Jamie? They may be plotting but what is the plan? After that storming majority (seems SO long ago!) what power have they got to make change happen.

The ones against Johnson have mostly been booted out of the party or left. That just leaves the sheepish.

JamieLeeCurtains · 11/05/2020 18:34

It's a conundrum for the Tories of their own making, @FliesandPies, that's for sure. They have no 'compromise candidate' in the wings that will satisfy the various factions, in the way that Starmer has been able to calm down Labour.

There's just the tentacled Gove. God help us all.

woodpidgeons · 11/05/2020 18:47

Both Nicola Sturgeon and Keir Starmer seem to me to be very genuine, caring, honest and intelligent people

Same here. Can anyone honestly say that about Johnson? In fact, he's the opposite of all those qualities and the strange thing is even his supporters would agree. So why is he so popular?! Same question to Trump fans 🙈😂

Agree. I like Sturgeon and Starmer.

HotelduLac · 11/05/2020 20:42

They speak clearly, compassionately and are easy to understand.
I would feel rather confused, and to be honest frightened, in all this news coverage without their steadying presence.

JudyCoolibar · 13/05/2020 00:56

The answers were in the main bloody obvious!

It was obvious that those were the answers Johnson was going to produce, because that's what Cummings told him to say and he hasn't got the wit to say anything else. That doesn't mean that it wasn't well worth asking the question and exposing just how little thought Johnson has actually put into this.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 13/05/2020 09:09

Really, Judy? You think the question about driving to the border with Wales or Scotland, but not over it was a good use of Parliament time?

How much of a Nanny State do some people want?

What Johnson's answer were, or were not, is one thing, but to ignore the euqlly odd, blatherings of anyone else is just too partisan, makes for blinkered vision and cosntricted views!

FliesandPies · 13/05/2020 13:43

One thing you can't accuse Starmer of is 'blathering'. He is very clear and concise in what he says. The difference between him and Johnson is very noticeable in that respect.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 13/05/2020 16:03

So... OK he clearly and concisely asked a daft question.

I give in. None so blind I suppose.

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 13/05/2020 16:08

Both Nicola Sturgeon and Keir Starmer seem to me to be very genuine, caring, honest and intelligent people.

There was a time when you would take that as a given of any party leader.

JudyCoolibar · 13/05/2020 16:10

You simply are not seeing the strategy behind Starmer's questions, @CuriousaboutSamphire. But that's OK, because Johnson isn't either, hence he keeps falling into the traps and exposing his incompetence.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 13/05/2020 17:10

I am seeing it today. The same strategy as Corbyn's stack of papers.

If the reports today are correct then Starmer has done himself no favours with any but the faithful. If the sentence he used as a Gotcha was taken out of context, was in a paragraph about maaks and specifically for a time when there was no covid19 in care homes, then he is grandstanding.

If there is so much that is wrong with the government guidance he should have been able to find something blindingly obvious.

Many posters here have highlighted many many issues. It should not beyond the leader of the opposition to so the same, effectively without possible equovocation.

It's such a fucking waste. Starmer is so very personable, even with better opposition than Johnson. He should do better, much much better.

And, I'd you hadn't caught it, I am no Tory voter. Was a paid up member of the Labour Party until I could bear it no longer. I had half a thought Starmer could be a new start. But today's blathering has in no way convinced me there is substance behind that persona.

WiseUpJanetWeiss · 13/05/2020 17:19

If there is so much that is wrong with the government guidance he should have been able to find something blindingly obvious.

The guidance said care homes were not at risk, and then government policy recklessly put care homes at risk by discharging symptomatic patients from hospitals into care homes and not providing PPE. How is this not negligence?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 13/05/2020 17:24

Listening to reporters on various stations it may not be that cut and dried.

I don't blindly believe anything any politician says. I'll wait until the specific document is shown.

Clavinova · 13/05/2020 17:33

I posted this on the other thread -

25 Feb -
"This guidance is intended for the current position in the UK where there is currently no transmission of COVID-19 in the community. It is therefore very unlikely that anyone receiving care in a care home or the community will become infected.This is the latest information and will be updated shortly."

www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-for-social-or-community-care-and-residential-settings-on-covid-19/guidance-for-social-or-community-care-and-residential-settings-on-covid-19

A message from Care Providers Alliance about coronavirus / COVID-19 -
"The government have published guidance for the adult social care sector, which is useful while there is no transmission of COVID-19 in the community."

www.shareandcare.co.uk/2020/02/25/a-message-from-care-providers-alliance-about-coronavirus-covid-19/

BBC 11 March -

"The first case of coronavirus transmitted within the community has been detected in Scotland. Until now cases of the virus had been traced to people who had travelled to affected areas such as northern Italy."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51832143

New guidance published 13th March -

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-residential-care-supported-living-and-home-care-guidance

Clavinova · 13/05/2020 17:37

JamieLeeCurtains

"A YouGov survey carried out over the weekend found that 40 per cent of Brits believe the Labour leader is doing either "fairly well" or "very well"

The results were - 8% "very well" and 32% "fairly well".

CuriousaboutSamphire · 13/05/2020 17:43

Well... There you go then. Context is all!

FliesandPies · 13/05/2020 17:47

None so blind I suppose

Works both ways

Namechangervaver · 13/05/2020 17:55

If the reports today are correct then Starmer has done himself no favours with any but the faithful. If the sentence he used as a Gotcha was taken out of context, was in a paragraph about maaks and specifically for a time when there was no covid19 in care homes, then he is grandstanding.

This is not true. Boris' rebuttal was false.

Kier Starmer
PerkingFaintly · 13/05/2020 17:56

And, I'd you hadn't caught it, I am no Tory voter.

Ohhhh, that's funny. I don't care who you pretend to vote for CuriousAboutSamphire, but I saw your name next to this thread title in Active, and thought, "I wonder what Curious is trying to diss Starmer with or defend Johnson on today."

Because I knew before I clicked and before knowing today's topic, that that's what you'd be doing. You're... a little predictable... Faux concerned tone and all.Grin

JamieLeeCurtains · 13/05/2020 18:12

Sky News now reporting Robert Jenrick has just conceded Starmer's point about care homes in the daily briefing - 'we can do more'.

Johnson losing his shit over this is not a good look.

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 13/05/2020 18:14

If reports are true.....

Reports like this one?

bit.ly/3dKcMga

JamieLeeCurtains · 13/05/2020 18:14

Sky News saying care homes are now at the top of the political agenda.

Which is exactly what Johnson doesn't want to happen. Because he's lied. And this time he probably won't get away with it.

FliesandPies · 13/05/2020 18:20

They're going to have to take Johnson out somehow, Starmer is taking him apart.

It's not as if he wants to be there and i'm sure he'll be able to come up with a plausible lie, that's his forte.