Today I feel incredibly angry

[awaywiththecircus]

I’m feeling incredibly selfish. My family luckily are all fit and well. If we catch CV we will in all likelihood be I’ll for a few days at worst. I see the impact this is having on us and feel incredibly angry. My dc should be at school, socialising, having fun. DH and I should be at work keeping a stable roof over our heads. But obviously it’s all gone to shit.
And all the fit people who are insisting they are going to stay locked up at home until there’s a vaccinationFFS.
Even my close friend with a shielded dc is feeling that we have massively overacted to this when weighing up the collateral damage we are causing. I know I’ll get flamed but I’m truly at the end of my tether.

I spend a lot of time angry too, OP- often about different things but I recognise it's a reaction to the stress of the situation.

I'm getting increasingly intolerant of people screeching in response to anyone saying they think it is time to ease some of the measures in place things along the lines of "but people will die, how can you be so selfish!" Do they not get that people will die in significant number for reasons other than coronavirus if this continues much longer? Are they not concerned about the children being beaten, tortured, raped and starved far from the view of the services and systems that would otherwise be in a position to notice and intervene? Don't they care about the people who would normally have seen a GP and had a serious illness diagnosed, but are now far more likely to suffer and die because of the delay to accessing any sort of assessment and/or treatment? What about the increase in DV/? How about the people whose mental health has taken a serious nose dive and are suicidal or otherwise suffering? What about the lonely? What about those who have no income and aren't entitled to any of the schemes in place to support furloughed workers/ self employed people etc?

If you are particularly vulnerable then I see why you are so very afraid and concerned. Your life matters. But so does everyone else's, and I cannot agree that protecting you from coronavirus is more important than protecting other vulnerable people from threats to their life and wellbeing. The point of lockdown was not to keep all of us alive, it was to manage the impact on the NHS.

@catsandlavender kids need to socialise outside their families, and do sport, use playgrounds etc

If you'd spent from Sept to february getting your child used to school and they were finally happy in that environment would you want to go back to square one .
Some kids thrive being at home , some don't

I can't really understand why, after the panic to build the nightingale hospital at Excel (and all the other ones) that it is currently no longer needed, although of course this may change. So yes, op, I am angry too, as I think a lot of people have died who shouldn't have, because they failed to be given treatment in time, or were fobbed off by 111 with the aim of 'saving the nhs' (from doing the job they are employed and set up to do). I think it was badly handled initially by the goverment, for which we are now paying the price. My h and I are both over 65. I have a few health problems, but I would still rather take my chances and have a slightly better normality than we have now (things allowed to open as far as poss. but social distancing in place) than face a future of virtual house arrest. It will take at least 10 years for the country to recover from this financially I would think, and we are facing years more of austerity and high taxes to pay for everything. Add in global warming and, tbh, we are all going to hell in a handcart

I’m interested in how you think this is going to ruin kid’s futures? Like... being out of formal schooling for a few months is not going to ruin their future. The attainment gap will probably widen which is shit as it’s already big, and it’ll be more work for teachers to try and close it, but it’s not going to “ruin all children’s futures”

the healthcare they can access will be much worse than it currently is, if the NHS actually exists at all.

School leavers will have no jobs to go to.

Its been proven for years that poor children have worse outcomes. There will be MANY more poor children. Those who would not have been poor if their parents could have kept their jobs.

TrustTheGeneGenie and Iwalk exactly! Great posts

I’m starting to get very concerned about this too.

The daily fail article on numbers per demographic who have died has started it,

Approx 3000 below 65
Approx 2000 below 60
Approx 900 below 55.
Approx 300 below 45

Most has underlying health conditions. The number of healthy people below 65 who have sadly died is tiny.

The numbers are very very small. The overwhelming majority of people who have died are 65 and over. Between 80 and 90 percent.

I do not understand why schools are closed and everyone off work for these numbers. Why have we not simoly asked everyone over 65 or with underlying health issues to go on lock down, why is it the whole population? Social and airlines to close, yes, but why are the healthy working population on lock down?

It makes no sense at all.

also I’m interested in how you think this is going to ruin kid’s futures?

Parents losing jobs. Parents losing homes. Children who are leaving school to face a decimated job market. Children who will be paying for this probably until their retirement.

Are you trying to insinuate that the last financial crash had absolutely no impact on a huge proportion of children's futures .

And I'm not even including the mental health aspect of this - which will be huge.

bigchris - I'm a key worker too and don't patronise me.

I think we need to remember that for a lot of children it will be ok and their futures won’t be ruined forever - especially for those who are lucky enough to have parents who are able to home school them.
I think what I worry about is the massive task ahead of me in September for the vulnerable kids in my class. I know already that one of the children in my old class hasn’t accessed the home learning at all and he really really really needs to. It’s so worrying I honestly can’t sleep sometimes.
But I have to try and hope that most children (including lots of vulnerable children) will still have happy lives and futures ahead of them, and they aren’t heading to a lifetime of misery and 0 opportunities forever. Maybe I’m wrong.

@blockyy I was a young teenager in the last financial crash. It affected my family’s financial situation greatly, but while it impacted my life a lot, it didn’t “ruin my future”. We don’t need to act as though there is literally no hope unless we get out of lockdown NOW.

I am angry at the media driven campaign, I believe they have had way more influence over the lockdown than the government and the scaremongering has been atrocious and should be investigated. Piers Morgan shouting his head off every day and both him and Dr Hilary telling people not to have gardeners or painter and decorators come to their homes. Well, it's ok for them to say that isn't it. Both still employed on high salaries. They will just ride this out and enjoy the show..... the working classes will suffer the most. I fear for anyone in a service or leisure industry.

To be fair maybe it did ruin my future more than I realise because I don’t really remember what it was like before the crash...

Ohlordy - you said the most patronising thing in this thread It sounds like you think it'll be like a cold. It isn't !

@blockyy i'm with you

No. If you're tubed in hospital the current UK figures are that something like 62% die ( more in a NYC study). But we're talking across populations, not just the people that get severe infections.

Studies vary, but death rates (including people with asymptomatic infection) are between 0.37% ( in a town in Germany with 15% of people infected) to between 0.6-0.8% (in NYC with 21% infected).

Therefore those are the risks if infected, not to the whole population. There is also some suggestion that some young, fit people may fight the infection using innate immunity/t cells without developing antibodies, which would further decrease the death rate.

bigchris - I don't see how that's patronising.

I don't understand why people keep saying we can't keep hiding forever.

Noone is saying that.

What we are doing is getting the infected numbers down low enough that contact tracing and targeted isolation can work. At that point a certain amount of normality can return.

There will however still need to be a certain amount of social distancing and hand washing / hygiene measures even with contact tracing until a vaccine comes out - probably this time next year.

It's not forever, it's not about your personal risk, it's about society as a whole.

0.001?
Much higher. If you're tubed in hospital here, 33% die. We're upping the testing now, numbers positive are in similar vein to numbers before the mass tests. Look at how many negative tests there are. A relatively small number of us are positive, so far, with the deaths we've had

Sorry that was to Barbie. I took so long to answer there were a load more posts!

I don't feel angry because I'm not sure who I should be angry with, I do feel very concerned frustrated upset, worried about the future etc.

At whom (or what) is your anger pointed OP?

I don't see how that's patronising

it infers that youre thick or you dont know how this big scary disease KILLS EVERYONE simply because you are not terrified of it?

I know the statistics, I know how bad it is, i know that young healthy people can die of it, but i know the chances of that are low.

I assume my chances of getting cancer are much, much worse but i dont worry about that either because it might never happen.

if you worried about everything that could happen you wouldnt leave the house.... oh wait

If government had locked down 2 weeks sooner (learning from the mistakes in Lombardy) we could have easily controlled this within a few weeks and could now be out of lockdown with a track and trace approach.

If we hadn’t gone into lockdown the modelling projections were looking at around a quarter of a million deaths in the UK. That would have been politically unacceptable for any government.
The only real debate now is how we organise a phased exit strategy, to stop a massive second wave of deaths. By delaying, we get the chance to observe other countries’ different exit methods, and see which ones are the safest. But the delay of course angers people who stand to lose businesses, homes, jobs. There is no easy answer here, or the government would have already implemented it.
We can only wait, try a limited release of restrictions, and monitor the rising death toll that will result - perhaps locking down again if hospitals become overwhelmed.

Watch what happens as Trump reopens America and you might change your mind...

So many selfish people prepared to throw the weak and elderly under a bus

so many selfish people prepared to through young children, domestic violence victims, those suffering with mental health, those who have lost income, those who will lose their homes, those who have already died from preventable conditions under the bus too.

Who are those selfish cunts now eh?