Today I feel incredibly angry

[awaywiththecircus]

I’m feeling incredibly selfish. My family luckily are all fit and well. If we catch CV we will in all likelihood be I’ll for a few days at worst. I see the impact this is having on us and feel incredibly angry. My dc should be at school, socialising, having fun. DH and I should be at work keeping a stable roof over our heads. But obviously it’s all gone to shit.
And all the fit people who are insisting they are going to stay locked up at home until there’s a vaccinationFFS.
Even my close friend with a shielded dc is feeling that we have massively overacted to this when weighing up the collateral damage we are causing. I know I’ll get flamed but I’m truly at the end of my tether.

What about people like me that want to stay in and not die but have to go out?

Why do you HAVE to go out?

I'm 50:50 about my chances of dieing at 45 with high blood pressure, overweight, four school age kids.

I do sometimes think if I'm going to die I might as well just die now rather than next year of it. Makes little difference. Kids will all still be under 18.

I dont k ow what to think anymore. My critical thinking skills have gone to shit and open conversations are always wrong..

I'm just going to follow the rules. Schools open I'm.not ken on fines so off they trot.

My mum will die of old age before I ever see her again and I'm finding it hard to give a shiny shit about anything anymore.

Everything I was told to value has become unimportant over night. Gcses, working, planning for a future, investing in the kids. Education.

Plus what ever you do think or say is screamed down.

It's like 24/7 Brexit but you can escape it. You can only do it wrong.

Why would you die by going out. Lack of road sense? Hit man?

Lockdown in it's current form isn't going to continue indefinitely so don't worry about that. Personally I see the whole getting on with life/economy versus a different aim of trying to suppress the virus as a false opposition. Because the case numbers grow exponentially when R is over one, schooling and economic activity, mental health etc will all be affected as much if not more by no lockdown as the are by lockdown. It's the existence of the virus that is causing the problem.

Globally no government is locking down for fun or because they want to, or even because they just want to prevent covid spread and deaths. I don't think so anyway. They are doing it because they can see that exponential growth of the virus not only kills but destroys all those other things we are missing in lockdown.

Given where we are, lockdown is the only way to get to a state of reopening. And we will start to get there OP, it looks like a very bumpy road but they are going to be trying incredibly hard to open up everything they can to keep R below one. Remember if it is isn't below one, there won't likely be any schooling or much economic activity. The numbers of young and fit people who die or are sick and off work for a long time may seem a small percentage, but if you think in terms of 70% odd getting it..that is a lot of people. I am not saying their lives are of more value, but you mentioned youth/fitness etc so just pointing it out.

My anger is less directed at lockdown itself than at things like, are they going to handle it right and make sure to enforce/ease at the most effective times? But more than that, I am angry about why the outbreak occurred and spread in the first place and specifically about why the UK outbreak was allowed to get so bad before measures were taken, especially the virtual ignoring of the influx of Italy returnees. I don't claim to understand it fully and I could be wrong, but it really does seem that we had a chance to start controlling this when we had much lower case numbers and that would have meant a shorter time needed in lockdown.

I hope things can get back on track as safely as possible for everyone soon.

@TrustTheGeneGenie

I was referring to the Covid minimisers, who wanted us to carry on regardless because “it’s only the flu”.

They say that Sweden is the ideal but they are being disingenuous.... it only seems to be working there (and their deaths are still very high comparatively and in proportion to their population) because people socially distanced voluntarily causing significant damage to their economy as a result - the very thing the minimisers said we didn’t need to do, and weren’t doing themselves!

They paint Sweden as a place where life continued as normal and Covid never really caused any harm... that’s not true. Sure, it hasn’t been quite as damaging to their economy or as restrictive as here, but we could only have done it in the UK if Government has advised a week or so earlier that big events needed to be cancelled AND we didn’t have so many “minimisers” who wouldn’t have taken that advice.

OP I am with you. The latest ONS figures showed, once again, that there were no Covid deaths in the under 15’s in the week ending 24 April, but I keep reading comments on social media from parents who are terrified to let their children out of the house. Their children are more likely to die in a road traffic accident than from Covid but the won’t accept that.

Good news for all of us in favour of relaxing lock down, from another thread:

I love that so many people are saying it won't happen when Boris has literally just said that it will

From Monday people

No one needs to carry on regardless. I have learnt from this pandemic, so will take that into life from now on. More regular hand washing. Social distancing where needed. Surely we are more educated now then before lockdown?

It's just so shit.

It really is. I agree with the current (not indefinite) lockdown being necessary (until it is relaxed gradually as other things like testing can take over more, and I hope that will be soon), but I won't argue that it's not shit, or that it doesn't have its own dangers, or that it's affecting everyone equally. It's just (for now) the lesser of two evils.

The people who don't want school to open until September

But if that happened it would be part of the phased removal of lockdown you say you want - it's just an opinion (different to yours, presumably) on precisely when within that would be the best time for schools in particular to open. Which month would you favour for schools? All right now? June? What's your thinking?

If it's that they should open right now on the basis that healthy people being ill won't really matter because their death rate is low, I would respectfully disagree (all that illness will still cause huge problems). If it's right now, on the basis that infection levels are already low enough that you think lots of people won't get ill, then I'd also respectfully disagree - we're not quite there yet - but I would say that could be true at some point.

@trappedsincesundaymorn sorry for your loss too I hear you.

I hope I can go back to work Monday 😊

So many selfish people prepared to throw the weak and elderly under a bus

This is exactly the sort of hysteria that has got us to this place. Care homes are mainly for people at the end of their life. The end! It’s not about throwing them under a bus, but a common cold might kill them, slipping in a shower might kill them, a bout of food poisoning might kill them. They are at huge risk of dying of a
Multitude of things because they are end of life

In this ridiculous scenario we seem to think we can protect people who are end of life...from death itself

No one needs to carry on regardless. I have learnt from this pandemic, so will take that into life from now on.

That’s good, and I believe we should look to end lockdown, albeit carefully. As Sweden seems to be showing, it is possible to keep a lid on things without being too strict. It’s a shame we needed a lockdown to make us learn!

June. Phased from there. My thinking is that another 3 weeks away anyway. Furlough ends in July and people need to work for a living

Care homes are mainly for people at the end of their life. The end! It’s not about throwing them under a bus, but a common cold might kill them, slipping in a shower might kill them, a bout of food poisoning might kill them. They are at huge risk of dying of a
Multitude of things because they are end of life

Care homes don't just contain people who are at the end of their life - are you thinking of nursing homes, perhaps?

02TrustTheGeneGenie
No if 20% of people need o2 or icu then once it is all full those 20% have 0% chance of surviving. So you went from 2% chance of death to 100% for all those thousands.
There was a ft chart. It showed the height of the peak and the line of nhs capacity. Thr cspacity was hardly visible it was so low down.
the numbers dying seem low but you need to x12 to get to 60% immunity and that is assuming that it is within nhs capacity.

I suspect people who have a 1 in 20 chance of dying may feel a bit different to those who ah e a 1 in 20,000 chance. Then the choice of unemployed but alive seems sweeter than dead with a job.

Which may be why the original focus was on ensuring the nhs copes, which was touch and go for a while and which it won't if anything harder hits it, which it will if we are not sensible going forward

It's not just about protecting the 2 to 30% of the population with high death risk ( and its about time they had some good data on that ') it's about ensuring there is an nhs to mend your broken leg and sort out dads stroke

awaywiththecircus you admit you're being selfish. Why should we care how it affects you then?

Schools to go back in some form after May half term

And if the nhs r7ns out of capacity, death rates at all ages increase steeply

@catsandlavender

@BuddleiaTime I reported your post. I would have thought as a grown adult you’d be able to disagree with someone without swearing at them but clearly not.

Then you didn't read it properly. I used a noun as a description of the type of person who thinks it's ok to let the weak and elderly die. I'm surprised that anyone would disagree.

At no time did I say "You are all *** " which, I agree, would have been abusive. But usual kneejerk from MN and you got your way.

How would you describe a set of people happy to let the elderly and weak die?

So now I'm a bit angry as although Boris has said there will be an announcement on Sunday with easing of some restrictions on Monday, because I live in Scotland I suspect we'll go at a separate slower pace, if for no reason other than to demonstrate that we have a different government from England. I can't find stats here with the numbers broken down by age or pre-existing condition for Scotland so I have to assume they will take the English numbers into account.

I agree it can't continue I get the feeling that those that want it to are well to do lots of money in the bank and not worried about losing jobs the effect it's having on children's education as they can probably afford if not already having private tutoring.
More and more people are dying not just from
Covid 19
Cancer
Heart attacks
Suicides
Domestic violence
Child abuse/deaths
The list is endless but they don't matter so long as we are all concentrating on this virus sod the rest of the population in need.
We are heading for a massive economic fuck up that's likely to affect our children and maybe even their own children for many many years.
Give back our choices stop news papers bloody repeating shit
One minute it's all good news the next it's doom and gloom they are just to blame as much as the government right now for the state on people's mental health

I've had enough and quiet rightly as pp have stated those saying we should all stay in you crack on but I've had enough now I miss my family and friends this isn't living at all it's controlling a miserable existence right now

I'd actually take dead with a job. The stress of unemployment with no prospects and all that comes with it would be unbearable and a life I wouldn't want to live.

I am extremely angry that the government continued to let thousands of people in on flights when it was apparent this was going to be a huge problem, they let events go ahead and didn't lock down soon enough. I have a high risk dh who is our main breadwinner and if he has to shield long term his job will be at risk. My job is at risk - the charity I am funded by predicts they will be losing 50% of their fundraising income. My ds1 is entering his last year of Uni soon and job prospects look bleak unless sport gets back to normal. In fact job prospects look bleak for my 3 teenage Dc's all leaving school in the next couple of years. I am beyond sad. I am so worried about the economy, this is just a disaster and has barely even begun.