Today I feel incredibly angry

[awaywiththecircus]

I’m feeling incredibly selfish. My family luckily are all fit and well. If we catch CV we will in all likelihood be I’ll for a few days at worst. I see the impact this is having on us and feel incredibly angry. My dc should be at school, socialising, having fun. DH and I should be at work keeping a stable roof over our heads. But obviously it’s all gone to shit.
And all the fit people who are insisting they are going to stay locked up at home until there’s a vaccinationFFS.
Even my close friend with a shielded dc is feeling that we have massively overacted to this when weighing up the collateral damage we are causing. I know I’ll get flamed but I’m truly at the end of my tether.

There is no easy answer here
completely agree with that and the rest of your post Babdoc, and yes Fluffy I think we should watch trump and America, he is providing us with a real-time experiment of what happens when you do it all wrong😳
Also we could look at bolsonaro and Brazil

It's a very big bus and there is no way to save everyone from it😕

The ship is sinking and there are not enough lifeboats
who gets a place in the lifeboat and who goes down with the ship?

Ive said it before and i'll say it again, there has to be a balance.

An extended lockdown will kill people.

releasing all measures and opening everything tomorrow will kill people. The thing is thats not what anybody actually expects to happen.

I personally would be happy with a gradual release of lockdown.

Maybe a few more non essential shops could open, with social distancing of course.

Maybe we could open childminders, nurseries, even if the ratios had to be lower, it would get parents working at least part time.

Schools open, again even if its some years, or half weeks or whatever it would be helpful to the economy, for children and for mental health.

i am not expecting to be able to board a plane to greece tomorrow but i am expecting something to give, because the government will not bank role us forever.

I agree OP. I think a lot of otherwise "fit" individuals who have contracted covid very badly, may have had issues with their immune response/blood pressure. Why is govt not focussing on this, exercise, vit d, rather than just lockingus down indiscrimately. For some people this is going to increase health inequalities and comorbidities, making them more not less susceptible to covid. Please anyone reading this thread look at govt guidance on vit d supplements. Very important, but of course.lost in a sea of confusing health messages...

So many selfish people prepared to throw the weak and elderly under a bus.

Who said they couldn’t stay at home?

Would it not be appropriate to find a way for the majority of the country to get back to normal whilst keeping our most vulnerable safe?

If a massive portion of the population lose their jobs and the NHS becomes underfunded then aren’t those people at risk twice as much?

How about you think about the implications of what you are saying before you throw such awful language around?

@Nettleskeins I missed this! What’s the advice? Just to take daily supplements?

I believe it was right to lockdown when we did, but the NHS England stats now clearly show that we are well over the current peak for deaths based on actual date of death, and that deaths are clearly related to age and pre existing conditions www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/ , plus obesity is a factor not mentioned here. If you're under 40 with no preexisting condition then the chance of dying if you get Covid19 is practically negligible. Of course every death is a tragedy, but we can't stop every one whatever we do.Sadly Scotland - where I live - does not appear to be collecting these numbers , or if they are they aren't sharing them.

Of course every death is a tragedy, but I do wonder why the media is not sharing these easily available numbers. Actually I know the answer it's because it doesn't play well to the Stay Home, Protect the NHS narrative.

I can only hope that this information is taken into account when determining go forward strategy. Painful as it is, it makes little sense to continue to decimate the entire economy when it would be relatively straightforward to have shielding measures for the most vulnerable.

So many selfish people prepared to throw the weak and elderly under a bus

I'm angry like the OP, not for myself but for my children and grandchildren, and I would argue that it is the lock down measures that have thrown the weak and elderly under a bus. Just look at the stats to see who are dying (or hospitalised) in huge numbers. It would surely have been better to target resources to protect those that need it rather than locking down everyone at enormous cost?

As someone who has lost a family member to this virus, both Key workers and working so financially secure, I’m wfh with the kids and husband going out to work. I am desperately worried about the long term impact of lockdown. We need to start slowly and cautiously reopening and getting the economy running as soon as possible. We cannot ignore the impact this is having on vulnerable people and the impact that this will have on families who’s situation has been changed drastically. I’m not saying open it all up and resume to normality immediately but we need to start making some moves towards this. I do worry that the fear factor will stop lots of people from resuming any kind of normal life for a long time to come.

Obviously ‘Until’ was a typo - I meant to put unless

Spain looking to extend restrictions after death toll rises

I've been following the virus closely and now we have a lot more data than when everyone was calling for a lockdown. It seemed a good idea at the time as we didn't know much about it. What we do know now is that the chance of dying from it is very small, Generally the old and those with underlying health problems. (That's not to say they don't matter, of course they do)
But to put things into perspective:
Heart disease kills 49k people per day globally.
Cancer kills 26k people per day globally.
Diabetes kills 4.4k deaths per day globally.
Suicide 2k deaths per day globally.
Plus all the other daily deaths which amount to thousands.
It would appear that herd immunity was the way forward, it would have come and gone within approx 4 weeks. If we had protected the elderly and the vulnerable we could have prevented lots of untimely deaths. At least 99% of others would have been unwell but they would have lived. We would also not have a second peak to fear as herd immunity would kick in.
Now I appreciate that this has all come to light within the last 2 months- we didn't know what we were dealing with then- and mass hysteria from the news papers etc has not helped one bit. But I have to agree that we need an exit strategy - we are going to be in a whole heap of shit with the economy, MH, our kids futures etc than we are with the virus.
We have all been scared witless by the frenzy whipped up by the media and it's time to stop.
If people want to stay in please do, but leave others to go out, get the economy going and get back to normal.
Completely agree with the original OP that we have massively over reacted and caused a lot of collateral damage.

I feel angry because there are ways to protect people from getting covid BADLY, in the vulnerable rather than shielded population, and noone is focussing on this. If you have blood cancer or severe asthma, shield.population, but if you have overweight, diabetic, or vit d deficient groups, or elderly people, try and think of ways to lessen those factors in the immune response. Get them moving, get them outside in the sunshine sunbathing picnicking, get them out of their cars, get them swimming and gardening. The public health focus of locking down, and isolating, is band aid over a weeping sore. I think the policy makers know this but they are now trapped by their own rhetoric. Boris got ill because he was overworked and had a high bmi. His colleagues with lower bmis were less seriously affected. This, and co morbidities are the real health crisis, why is the money not.being spent on This, rather than locking.us.down.

We're going to find out on Sunday what Boris intends to open up so not too long to wait And argue over

Whitney, the NHS advice.has always been to supplement with vit d through winter, and for all.BAME groups to supplement ALL year round. But as you have yourself realised, not a lot of people.have recieved this.public health message. And now it really matters. Just google NHS gov. Vit.D

Dancingalong

Sorry for your loss

I lost my mum to covid and I also want to see an end to this lock down. However, according to some I should be weeping and wailing in a dark corner somewhere at the mere thought of other people leaving their homes, let alone doing anything as crass as working, unless they are on the "frontline". Not everyone who sadly dies today will have died of covid, but at least their deaths won't be used as some sort of whipping stick and their families won't be told how they should feel or want they should want, just to appease some who refuse to consider anybodies opinions unless it mirrors their own.

Sorry about the rant, today's not a good day.

Isn’t that the point? Anyone over 65 or with a Significant health issue should be on lock down, and we should all be working to protect them.

Everyone else should be getting on with their lives. Bar social events and flying?

Why doesn’t the government talk about demographics? If they stood up and said, 90 percent of folks who have died have been over 65 and of those, and 95 percent of those folks had underlying health conditions. As such, approx 150 people with no health conditions under 65 have died (rough calculations but you get the drift)

As such, it’s critical anyone over 65 and anyone with one of x conditions needs to lock down. We need to protect them and the nhs. We will shut social venues to Halt spread and ban flying to do the same and stop transmission across countries.

The lock down of everyone makes no logical sense. The cost is beyond enormous v what seems like a very very tiny risk. To the working age and child population.

I see someone complained about me calling poster selfish ***.

What else do you call people who are prepared to let the weak and the elderly die?

Those are the posts that should be being deleted. The ageism on this site is a disgrace. And those who think just let them die are - well you know what you are and so do I.

Dancingalong and trappedsincesundaymorn so sorry for your losses

"The numbers are very very small. The overwhelming majority of people who have died are 65 and over. Between 80 and 90 percent.
I do not understand why schools are closed and everyone off work for these numbers."

Bluntness Those numbers are with lockdown
Of course we wouldn't lockdown if we were just saving those kinds of numbers

I'm baffled by this, it's like:

You had antibiotics for an infection, but the infection is gone so you never needed antibiotics and it's just a con

We need to end lockdown in stages, so the economy can run at 80-90% over the full summer,

but imo we should acknowledge that lockdown was necessary at the time,
with a novel virus killing so many in Italy

• we needed to flatten the curve, to build up NHS capacity, learn better how to treat patients, build mass testing

Lockdown was a pause button for all that and it has enabled us now to be in a position to restart

But why can't the most vulnerable continue to shield while the less vulnerable get back to work etc? Genuine question.

Im 55, just over slightly overweight, dh is slightly overweight, high blood pressure, lowered.by exercise. We both take vit d on doctors orders for last seven years, me more in last two years after relapse into deficiency. I think I.had covid v mildly just before lockdown, dh similar. Breathless /coughing. Our area has high infection rate, now peaked, flattened. London. We were not v ill at all. I think the vit d protected us both. We never get flu anyway, but we arent textbook.fit in any other way.

"The numbers are very very small. The overwhelming majority of people who have died are 65 and over. Between 80 and 90 percent.

So that's ok then, is it?