Today I feel incredibly angry

[awaywiththecircus]

I’m feeling incredibly selfish. My family luckily are all fit and well. If we catch CV we will in all likelihood be I’ll for a few days at worst. I see the impact this is having on us and feel incredibly angry. My dc should be at school, socialising, having fun. DH and I should be at work keeping a stable roof over our heads. But obviously it’s all gone to shit.
And all the fit people who are insisting they are going to stay locked up at home until there’s a vaccinationFFS.
Even my close friend with a shielded dc is feeling that we have massively overacted to this when weighing up the collateral damage we are causing. I know I’ll get flamed but I’m truly at the end of my tether.

[Whatsthis1515]

@LilacTree1
Yes, too true.

Anyone that doesn't want to go back or doesn't want schools to open will just shout 'you're killing my children/granny/Mum'

I'm unsure why people are able to work in Tesco without complaining but teachers etc are going mental about schools opening and the risk they will be taking.. I must point out yet again that I am a teacher before anyone flames me for teaching hating. Before lockdown, I did not feel anxious at work. I want to go back. I am also type 1 diabetic

[EricaNernie]

what is the percentage of deaths currently? it was estimated to be 99% recovery

[LilacTree1]

Erica it still is about 99.6 I think, that’s in context of cases, not the population as a whole.

[LilacTree1]

What I have no idea why teachers who want to return are getting a hard time

[Bollss]

@ec22 lockdown was never meant to protect us it was meant to protect the NHS.

That same NHS won't exist in a years time if the economy goes to shit.

[Thingybob]

Yep - even if granny is 102, demented and riddled with disease. It’s still eugenics innit

And will be described as a tragedy. What ever happened to the expression 'a happy release' because Im sure it must be in the case of some, if not many, of the Covid deaths.

[hopsalong]

@DianaT1969
The data you need to look at is the tab labelled 'COVID19 total by condition'. This is only updated weekly, so from today's spreadsheet but numbers are a week old.
You can see that the vast majority of people at all ages have a pre-existing condition.

[MereDintofPandiculation]

You can see that the vast majority of people at all ages have a pre-existing condition. A pre-existing condition doesn't mean that they were about to die, or were seeking an early release. Many of those with a pre-existing condition had an expectation of many years of active, productive life.

[MereDintofPandiculation]

I don’t expect society to shut down in case I get respiratory diseases on account of my asthma. It’s my responsibility to protect myself if I want to, not the other way round. Society isn't shutting down to protect the vulnerable. It's shutting down so that the vulnerable don't overwhelm the NHS that may still be needed for the non-vulnerable.

[LilacTree1]

Mere surely you can see that hospitals have taken this too far? Cancelled cancer treatment, 15,000 patients rushed into care homes?

This has been a massive over reaction and a spectacular exercise in poor planning.

[Maxandezra]

I have been angry for weeks. I am an NHS clinician. This whole thing has been a shit show. I cant begin to comprehand the damage this has done to people's non covid physical and mental health. The repercussions of which will be felt by patients and the NHS for years to come,thats before you even start to thin about the ecomnomic repurcussions. And all the children and young people at schools/colleges universities whose lives have just been stopped - for how long?
I cant imagin the terrible consequences of this for so many people. Poverty, domestic abuse, job losses, unemployment, losing your home , bankruptcy, depression and many other mental health implications due to isolaiton and lack of support and people not being able to utilise their normal coping mechanisms. Suicide, increased rug and alcohol use. Murders.
The implications of this are massive and far reaching. yet all anyone seems to ever say is "stay home, save lives." Well I can tell you in the months and years to come many, many lives will be lost not to the virus itself but the implications of the situations we were forced into.

[Oliversmumsarmy]

I am angry. At the government.
Huge rising death toll, cases rising and they’re hell best in easing this weak lockdown already

Take a look around at the traffic on the road compared with a few weeks ago.

The lockdown looks like it is over. If you go to the supermarket you might have to queue to get in but once inside no one is bothering with the 2m rule apart from at the checkout

[StealthPolarBear]

One thing that hasn't ever been mentioned or discussed as far as I am aware are any potential long term effects of having had the virus. I don't want to scare monger but I underatstood it could be an issue with any virus.
I'm just wondering if the only options are death or full recovery, or whether we should be concerned about other aspects which may affect younger people as well.

[Maxandezra]

apologies for tyops...attempting to simultaneously home school my 12 yt old whilst mn'ing after a full days work!!

[Hannah021]

Get over urself, moaning like an idiot, and if ur children didnt have NHS cuz it collapsed, yet again u'll continue to moan like an idiot.

[LilacTree1]

Maxandezra Is anyone allowed to speak out in the NHS?

[Bollss]

@hannah021

The NHS collapsing is exactly what most people on this thread want to avoid. I think you've spectacularly missed the point.

[Hannah021]

@TrustTheGeneGenie thats not what the op is saying, i dont need to respond or even read PP!!!!!!

[Bollss]

A by product of us all sitting on our arsed not working for god knows how long means there won't be an NHS...

[madmumofteens]

Thank you Maxandezra for everything you have said so eloquently put and you are in the best position to say so! We are all trying to get through this I am so sick or being judged by others really concerned for my teens and the ripple effect of this virus and most of all I worry for our future their are so many bystanders who do f##k all to help others! 💐

[ikeairgin]

I work in a supermarket, in Birmingham in an area with high bame and with a similar demographic at work

Birmingham has been a hotspot and our local trust is top of the mortality by trust table.

We have had people at work test positive with it. One +55 white male in ICU, ventilated - now at home with a recouperation period of at least 6months to a year. Several other collegues have been off with it - even people on my shift. We carried on, those of us who were ok. No-one self isolated because of their collegues sickness.

We were not given the luxury of being able to stay home. We have been sworn at, spat at and verbally harrassed, especially in the beginning when the shelves were being emptied by people. We had a security guard punched. We were worried for our safety

We have worked like it was Christmas, but with no end in sight.

We have been out getting to work on public transport every day.

We haven't complained. We have appreciated our fellow low paid workers keeping this country ticking over - like the posties, bin men, trades, utility workers, engineers, train drivers, bus drivers, etc.

We understood that we were making sure that the NHS was not overwhelmed by making sute that we were careful and abided by the rules - in our case GOING to work to protect all of YOU who stayed home.

Now it's your turn to protect the NHS by making sure the economy doesn't tank. Over to YOU, guys.

[Maxandezra]

lilac no one is not not allowed to speak exactly. If you have a specific grievance you would be expected to address it with your own trust initially. We are all encouraged to use our trust "freedom to speak up" processes though. But to be honest this is not the fault of our trust. it is the whole government message of "stop the whole word while we treat Covid 19" our trust can only respond to governemnt guidance. Additionally a lot of patients are not attending the limited appointments we do offer because they are too scared too due to the hysteria.

[Maxandezra]

hannah the NHS has totally and absolutely collapsed.Unless you have fairly advanced COVID 19 symptoms right now you will find it a struggle to get proper NHS treatment right now. Cancer treatment - nah forget it. Gall bladder suregry needed? - not a chance.Awaiting an orhopaedic surgery - in your dreams. Infertility treatment - no , bugger off. People too scared to attend A&E so dying form MIs, strokes, heart failure etc...Mental Health treatment - Ok, still going but limited face to face appointments, all therapy groups supended , limited psychological interventions etc....
so yeah. the NHS has been saved. Thank God.

[Oliversmumsarmy]

I am relatively fit so are dd and Ds

We suspect we have had it.

Watched the “Living with Corona Virus” programme which seemed to add to our suspicions that what we had was Corona Virus.

I wouldn’t wish this disease on anyone.

To be so nonchalant to say if you got it you would be ok because you are fit and well is just not taking on board what this illness is like.

Ds 17 young and healthy with no underlying health conditions was laid out with it for at least a week.
He lost 1.5 stone in weight. He couldn’t get out of bed and it took him 6 weeks to recover to some form of ability to do light things and the same again to feel back to his old self
I am older. I woke up one night feeling like I was being suffocated.
It was like someone had taped up my nostrils and mouth and put a pin prick in my mouth area to breathe. Not that I could breathe in fully any way.
The constant coughing that meant that anything I ate or drank was brought up.
I felt like my lungs were going to explode or my heart was.

No sleep because i couldn’t stop coughing and i had to concentrate on keeping myself breathing.

Whilst some might have no symptoms and some have mild symptoms (dmil in her 90s and in a nursing home breezed through it)
There is no rhyme or reason on who gets it bad and who just loses their sense of taste for a few days.

About 6 weeks after I had thought I had shaken it off I remember being in my car in the supermarket car park wondering if my legs would get me to and from a shop that normally I wouldn’t think twice about walking to. I was utterly exhausted and all I had done was push a trolley round a supermarket and load the shopping in the boot of the car.

If you want to take your chances then fine but don’t do it at the expense of others because you think that you will likely be fine

Even now I feel like I have damaged my lungs or my heart permanently.
I don’t feel right and certainly can’t walk the distances I used to without getting exhausted.

[stopandListen]

I'm sick of the hysteria, those who state they will refuse to send their children to school or return to work until there is a vaccine, lucky you that you can afford that!

Today the government paid out almost £270 Million in benefit fraud alone!

I feel there are 3 groups.

1. The dramatics - nothing medically wrong with them but won't leave the house until vaccine or the end of the world

1. The don't give a shits, not much common sense and imply this is just another flu whilst avoiding social distancing at all costs.

1. The balanced - people who respect those who need / wish to self isolate, have a respect for the guidelines but know this lockdown needs to end and want to return to a new normal as they are aware the economy is almost broken