Today I feel incredibly angry

[awaywiththecircus]

I’m feeling incredibly selfish. My family luckily are all fit and well. If we catch CV we will in all likelihood be I’ll for a few days at worst. I see the impact this is having on us and feel incredibly angry. My dc should be at school, socialising, having fun. DH and I should be at work keeping a stable roof over our heads. But obviously it’s all gone to shit.
And all the fit people who are insisting they are going to stay locked up at home until there’s a vaccinationFFS.
Even my close friend with a shielded dc is feeling that we have massively overacted to this when weighing up the collateral damage we are causing. I know I’ll get flamed but I’m truly at the end of my tether.

[itsniceoopnorth]

Completely agree 👍

[LilacTree1]

Maxendra would trusts consider speaking out?

I used to think the NHS was precious.

[Waxonwaxoff0]

@stopandListen spot on and I am firmly in the third camp. I appreciate that some people need to isolate, but as a young healthy person myself I am ready to be back at work and my DS back at school. I'm sick of sitting at home on furlough with the threat of redundancy creeping up the longer this goes on.

[LilacTree1]

stop yes and group 3 seems to include a lot of people like me, who have had a few experiences of severe illness and realise the world can’t stop just because we might get it again and die or get worse lung damage than we already have.

[Maxandezra]

lilac our trust will challenge and question decisions being made by NHS England in the higher level management meetings (eg Gold Command) I know they have fought hard to keep our specialty functioning to some degree. trusts generally won't post on social media. To be fair the idea of posting about how frustrated we are with things is not necessarlily helpful to lots of patients and we really, really dont want to put patients off seeking help or treatment when they need to (which is happening)

[LilacTree1]

Max oh I would never expect any public posts on social media.

I just wondered if anyone would dare question the narrative in more formal ways. Fingers crossed they do.

[hopsalong]

@MereDintofPandiculation

Not sure if you read my post. Yes, I agree. It is obvious that most people with pre-existing conditions have many years of active life less and, I hope, equally obvious that the deaths of people with diabetes or high blood pressure or cancer are tragic.

The point I was making was the other way round. We can only speculate about other people's health; not everything on someone's medical record will be known even to their own family. So it's hysterical and sensationalising to draw conclusions about ourselves (where we have good information) on the basis of speculation about acquaintances rather than population-level data. So 'the lady at no 22 always looked well, and she died of COVID, so I probably will if I go back to work' or 'my friend's brother (who didn't have a test) is still ill 8 weeks later and so this is a very serious illness'... are fallacies. The published data is, within limits (mostly to do with under-testing), informative. Despite what various once-reputable media outlets have told us over the last few weeks, this is not 'a virus that doesn't discriminate'. Thankfully. If it were, the problem would be vastly more intractable than it is!

[hopsalong]

@stopandListen

Yes, I would agree -- a good list! I'd add that groups 1 and 2 are guilty of the same thing, which is making assumptions about what this (brand new) virus is like on the basis of anecdotal evidence, atavistic fear, and reluctance or incapacity to interpret data.

It's a pretty deadly virus for some, easily segmentable, groups of people. For other groups (e.g. children), it's a milder virus than the flu. We need a policy that is tailored to this (new) knowledge rather than an ongoing blanket lockdown.

If young and middle aged people in good health (the majority of the population; our median age is 40.5) are allowed to return to their normal lives they will, among other things, be better able to protect and care for the vulnerable and old. We'll never even be able to develop a vaccine unless the volunteers who've received it (hundreds already have from the Oxford study) are exposed to the disease. We need to educate the next generation of doctors, nurses, epidemiologists and research scientists. And we need to generate the money to pay for the lockdown we've already had, as well as the ongoing future of the NHS.

[MereDintofPandiculation]

@hopsalong Sorry, I read your post in isolation not the full context (I've only read about 6 of the 12 pages) and picking up from here and other threads the feeling from many people that it doesn't matter if the vulnerable/extremely vulnerable get it because "they've only got about 6 months to live anyway".

[ClimbDad]

According to university of Glasgow people dying of Covid are losing an average of ten years of life: www.heraldscotland.com/news/18399819.coronavirus-scotland-death-covid-19-results-ten-years-life-lost-per-person-glasgow-university-researchers-say/

Then you need to factor in heart, kidney, liver and neurological damage in people who recover. Some people will have chronic conditions as a result. We just don’t know how many.

40% of SARS patients suffered long term chronic fatigue syndrome.

Rare for a lethal virus not to leave any long term consequences in its wake. The government was reckless in not acting sooner. The reason we have such a long lockdown is because they wasted weeks failing to prepare.

[Oliversmumsarmy]

Even if you don’t die of this disease, it isn’t anything like flu. It really can be a very nasty illness.

Even if we are expecting to have .3% deaths with a population of 66million that is nearly 200,000 deaths.

[Eastie77]

I'm annoyed/angry at the people who live in popular U.K. holiday locations and have demanded that everyone stays away for the rest of this year. On a thread last week a number of posters who live in popular coastal towns were frothing at the mouth and saying that anyone with holidays booked in August in their areas should not visit under any circumstances, even if lockdown has been lifted and it means holidaymakers losing deposits.

It annoys me because I doubt any of the "stay away" brigade have jobs or businesses that depend on tourism. They are trying to impose blanket bans on visitors who inject millions in areas often blighted by high unemployment and poverty.

[user1487194234]

We do need to get back to work or the number of people who will lose homes,businesses ,jobs and blight our young people's lives

[MrsFezziwig]

the NHS has totally and absolutely collapsed.Unless you have fairly advanced COVID 19 symptoms right now you will find it a struggle to get proper NHS treatment right now.

My friend had breast cancer diagnosed just before lockdown. She was operated on a short while ago and is now recuperating. My father has had a neurological referral and the consultant did a home consultation (he is elderly). Both cases on the NHS and different trusts. Seems like you need to be putting pressure on your local NHS management rather than raising the issues on Mumsnet.

[Alex50]

What about the back log of all the other conditions apart from Covid, won’t that overwhelm the NHS more when they try to get back to normal?

[hopsalong]

SARS was a much more lethal illness than this is! It's scaremongering to say that everyone who has it will suffer lifelong damage or that it isn't 'just' the flu. I've had flu (once) and I was sicker than I was with covid-19. It has taken me a while to get over it but I'm completely back to normal now. In fact was a good incentive to get fitter, and I'm just back from a four-mile run. Bacterial pneumonia wiped me out for longer. It is possible of course that the illness I had wasn't covid-19, because I wasn't tested. But nor was anyone else with 'mild' symptoms (other than, belatedly, some healthcare professionals). Someone I work with closely was tested and very ill. I assume that the other three people in our little group who became ill (another few didn't) also had it. But we're 'invisible'.

So the belief that it is a severe illness for everyone is an artefact of limited testing. Not a fact. Being a known rather than suspected case = being so ill you were hospitalised.

All of these illnesses paled into insignificance btw compared to how dreadful I felt after a massive postpartum hemorrhage. Which was also statistically more likely to kill me.