BBC Breaking my heart this morning

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Its just so shit all these loved ones gone all these mothers and fathers leaving young children behind 😥

Can't understand why people want to go out and risk it regardless of lockdown... so scary!

Because not putting food on the table is my alternative

As spring said, because people need to earn money, because they have overall likely a 99 percent chance of surviving it, because for many it’s the lesser of two evils.

I'm sorry the news / tributes upset you this morning op. It got to me too and I had to turn it off. Hope you manage to have a good day today, I know it's hard right now with everything going on

The nurse with the 5 children made me well up. Her children were just so lovely and so positive and still talking about living in the way she would have. Just lovely, lovely people who don’t deserve to lose their mum (nobody does, I know, but just so sad).

Can't understand why people want to go out and risk it regardless of lockdown... so scary

Loads of selfish people out there including on Mumsnet.

There are quite a few people who aren't just going out for essential things like work, who are basically living as if lockdown doesn't exist.

Also opened my curtains to two extra cars on my neighbours drive, whilst listening to the tributes.

collateral do you have an income? Many people cannot work from home or aren’t furloughed. As others have said, what is the alternative?

One of my friends is being ridiculously smug about the importance of staying at home, what I feel like pointing out to her (which I don’t) is that all her family, including adult children, are in public sector jobs, being fully paid and with absolutely no threat of losing their jobs.

Many of us aren’t in that position. Additionally, I volunteer with a very vulnerable group of people, their support workers are all WFH and not visiting.... do I just leave them and stay in my safe little bubble?

It’s very difficult when you are confronted with it (I can never watch the real life stories on stand up to cancer or children in need) but very few people under 40 have died of coronavirus.

The rates of death for the under 50s are actually lower than usual at the moment (presumably because fewer are dying as a result of things like car accidents).

That doesn’t mean I think older people are expendable at all, they are not and we all need to act collectively to protect them.

It is serious and we should take it seriously but it’s important to keep perspective. The lockdown will start to lift, probably fairly soon, and I think we are in danger of having a situation where huge numbers of people (Whose individual risk profile is low) are afraid to step outside their front door.

Because never going out isn't an option for a lot of people and they don't want to live their lives in fear in any case.

collateral do you have an income? Many people cannot work from home or aren’t furloughed. As others have said, what is the alternative?

That's understandable others are just bored and hate it impacting on their lives. Should have made that clear.

I think that as soon as lockdown is slightly lifted a lot of people will go absolutely stupid and the cases will rise again. People near me are not staying home and are mixing with others. People are selfish - end of. We are struggling financially but no way do I want it lifting - I think they should have been firmer from the start. The problem with the government is it's all too wishy washy and no clear directive

Can't understand why people want to go out and risk it regardless of lockdown... so scary

What about all the people who will die if they don't go out and earn money/ the economy doesn't pick up?

The 2008 recession killed 600,000 people in the EU.

Can't understand why people want to go out and risk it regardless of lockdown... so scary

It’s pretty simple, different people assess risk differently. So what scares you doesn’t scare them.

It is tragic, and what has happened is going to scar our country forever. But otoh people with children die every day, you just don’t normally hear about it.

People are selfish - end of. We are struggling financially but no way do I want it lifting - I think they should have been firmer from the start.

This is about what you want so also selfish?

I'm on unpaid leave cos I don't qualify for the furlough scheme. The second my office is up and running I will be on the train going in.
Am I scared of getting it? Apprehensive more than scared. But the reality is that when lockdown has done it's job, which was to slow the numbers, flatten the curve and allow the country to prepare by building more hospital capacity, then we have to move towards allowing people to catch it.

Loads of selfish people out there

I hardly think earning money so that your family can eat is 'selfish'. Stop seeing things simply from your own perspective.

Lots of us have to continue to work to keep other people safe. Is that good enough for you?

It isn’t going to go away because we are in lockdown or continue lockdown. It’s here to stay. We are in lockdown to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed, not to stop people from getting it at all. It is terribly sad that people are dying from it but the economy and life as we know it must go on, otherwise more lives will be lost to that instead.

I say that as someone in my 30s with underlying health conditions who is on the 12 week shielding list. And who has a child with complex needs.

This lockdown cannot go on forever. We have to learn to accept coronavirus as part of our life from now on.

Loads of selfish people out there including on Mumsnet.

MN is a social media forum and that alone attracts polarised views. It is not about everybody bunkering down and living on hard tack biscuits for 24 months. Nor is it about everybody going straight back to normal and allowing herd immunity to kill somewhere between 500,000 and 750,000 individuals in the UK.

It is about balanced measures so that the best decisions are made overall.

But social media forums - for one thing - are a place where you will find very diverse views. Great for parking threads but not so good for other things. Stay well away is my view. Just listen to the scientific conclusions, whether that be medical or socio-economic.

Loads of selfish people out there including on Mumsnet.

I've noticed that too. The number of posters that insist on policing others with no knowledge of their personal circumstances, or who can't understand that for some people, they need to go to work if they are to be able to pay their bills and put food on the table. Who believe that because they are able to WFH and live relatively comfortably and safely at home during lockdown, that must be the same for everyone and therefore anyone not doing that is maliciously and wilfully putting other people's lives at risk.

Loads of selfish people out there including on Mumsnet.

We’ll fundamentally human beings are selfish. So that includes us all.

Oh ffs all the ‘I have to go to work’ people - you KNOW the OP didn’t mean you Clearly if you have to work, you have to work.
It’s the idiots who are getting bored of the lockdown and are going out unnecessarily the OP is talking about.

OP correct me if I’m wrong!

But social media forums - for one thing - are a place where you will find very diverse views. Great for parking threads but not so good for other things. Stay well away is my view. Just listen to the scientific conclusions, whether that be medical or socio-economic.

Good point

I missed that this morning. I hope they repeat it at otgervtimes as people who are not sticking to the rules, see the consequences of their selfish behaviour.

🌹for all the loved ones lost before their time.x