BBC Breaking my heart this morning

[HT96]

Its just so shit all these loved ones gone all these mothers and fathers leaving young children behind 😥

Can't understand why people want to go out and risk it regardless of lockdown... so scary!

Yes it is sad when people due young, many people we know have lost a parent young due to cancer for example.

The most worrying thing is the time after these weeks when the payouts have ended, and the mortgage holidays.

People need to consider that.

I have had coronavirus.

I more than followed the guidelines - I was alternating exercise in the home with exercise out of the house. I didn't meet anyone, I made one visit to the shops in the ten days prior to getting symptoms, I isolated like a good little citizen.

I had a fairly unremarkable infection, though with classic symptoms of a dry cough and raised temperature, though with at some points extreme fatigue.

I managed to catch it, but it wasn't a big deal to have it. I don't think the majority of people should be scared of catching it - it's passing it on which is the thing to avoid.

(My personal tip is that I was distinctly fatigued for two days before the cough showed up, so much so that I isolated by default because I was too tired to bother going anywhere - there's been some criticism of the narrowness of symptoms, given that about 30% of sufferers report severe fatigue as a symptom.)

The disregard for people’s mental health is staggering, and so soon after the #bekind movement. A lot of the same people on social media who posted those hashtags are now spying on their neighbours and generally taking great delight in scaring and being very unkind to others. We received an anonymous letter about visitors and being reported to the police. It wasn’t meant for us, they had mistaken us for the next door neighbour... whose wife had just died, alone, in a care home and they were his children who had visited. Can you imagine the pain that a grieving widower would have had receiving that letter?

I wish we had a "like" button. The #bekind stuff was so meaningless. Most people who are kind, don't go on about how kind they are. How horrible to get a letter like that, but maybe a blessing in disguise that you got it and not the widower.

Someone up thread said they opened their curtains to see two cars on their neighbour's drive. They have no idea why but immediately seem to have assumed "rule breaking". People need to stop being like this.

The lockdown is not designed to prevent people catching the virus. The plan is still that the vast majority of us will catch it.

It's to buy time and to relieve a huge demand on the NHS that otherwise would have happened all at once. And that is the only reason.

These points have been made transparently clear by the governmeng since the beginning. But it seems those intent on identifying half their own streets as 'flouters', or reporting them when they've no idea of their individual circumstances, either can't or don't want to see this.

This is an extremely challenging time for everyone and barring those old enough to remember WWII or the Cuban missile crisis probably the worst crisis any of us have experienced.

The AIDS epidemic was pretty terrible. Some people behaved disgustingly then too, blaming and shunning the sick. Some of them are probably the curtain twitchers of this crisis.

@thecatsthecats "I have had coronavirus"

How did you manage to get a test with those symptoms?

I think ppl are maliciously not understanding the Op here.
No I think OP and many others are maliciously not understanding others. MN is full of "someone broke social distancing or coughed and i noticed so im going to put it on here for a pat on the back."

I find some of these sort of comments so frustrating. Do people understand that New Zealand has a very strict border policy, a population that is around 12 times smaller than ours in a geographical location that is isolated and twice the size of the UK and has no free migration with an area the size of Europe?
This^

Ive done a road trip round most of New Zealand. i absolutely love the place put it really isnt comparable to the UK, more people travel on the tube a day in london than they whole of the population of NZ.

I made the presumption that the OP was talking about people going out unnecessarily, rather than going out to work (which is a necessity for most people). We've seen many instances of people going out and about when they don't need to, I'm sure that's what @HT96 means?

Agree how many selfish people there are out there. Mumsnet included

Do as I say and not as I do.

As spring said, because people need to earn money, because they have overall likely a 99 percent chance of surviving it, because for many it’s the lesser of two evils.

So your comfort trumps someone else's life?

It's one thing to go to work, it's quite another to fanny around on the beach or the park. I quite frankly just can't understand this 'I won't catch it, so I'll do what I want' attitude. This is why so many are dying.

There are quite a few people who aren't just going out for essential things like work, who are basically living as if lockdown doesn't exist.

It is not physically possible to live as if lockdown didn't exist. There are very limited places people can go, and the overwhelming majority of those places will be out of doors because everywhere else - leisure and social facilities in particular - is closed.

I suspect paying less attention to how many cars are on the neighbours' drives, and speculating on the reasons they're there, will greatly add to some people's happiness.

De Niro de faro can you explain why / how 600000 people died in the 2008 recession, this is not something i can get my head around?

I suspect paying less attention to how many cars are on the neighbours' drives, and speculating on the reasons they're there, will greatly add to some people's happiness.

I havent been out of the house for a month, i have no idea what the neighbours are getting up to most of the time, neighbour was having a virtual celebration in their garden yesterday.
People will see my dh and ds leave for work sometimes together sometimes desperately, my neighbours have no idea what they do for a living (keyworkers big pharma)

Smoke and mirrors.

Cancer patient can't have treatments

They are all going ahead around here. Fake news, I'm afraid.

Operations have been cancelled

They were being cancelled long before Covid19. Emergency surgery is still going ahead. Elective, less so.

Babies are born and they are not able to have the dad on the ward. The mum is having to cope without the after support a partner can bring.

As women always did in times of war or national crisis. Not worth risking the lives of others for.

People are not ringing ambulances and dying because they feel covid 19 is all that matters now.

Not true. People are dialing 111 first these days. Not all visits were essential and still aren't.

It's sad but people can die from many things at any age. It's as equally sad.

Lock down is saving the lives of the weak and the elderly. That can only be a good thing. I don't want to live in a society where they are expendable.

Of course the OP is NOT talking about key workers. You all know that really but can't resist arguing.

I am grateful for the key workers keeping the hospitals going, the shops open etc. I know I would not really want to have to work and stand a good chance of catching the virus.

The OP is talking about all the absolutely stupid and selfish people going to DIY stores, beaches, parks etc and not keep 2 metres distance.

Just why do some people feel it necessary to go out when they don't need to?

My DH had to work yesterday (emergency gas job) and said the roads near us were almost back to normal.

When the second wave hits, as it undoubtedly will, let's hope the NHS can cope

in all honesty, this virus isnt going away unfortunately, the WHO themselves have said we need to learn to love alongside it. unless you're planning on staying inside for the next 18 months until a possible vaccine is found or they discover a medication that can ease symptoms then you need to come to terms with the fact that transmission is a possibility. not trying to scare anyone but most people I know are aware of this. the lockdown wasnt to stop everyone getting it, it was to stop the NHS being overwhelmed by too many admissions at the same time.

the economy would not survive everyone staying in until a vaccine is found, some of us need to get back to normal life otherwise the long term implications of this will be worse then the actual virus itself. I know someone who took their own life 2 weeks ago because they couldnt afford their rent, had lost their job and saw no other way out. that is the other side to this - those people are not selfish if they decide that putting food on the table and a roof above their families head is more important than possibly catching a virus that they have a high chance of surviving even if they do.

"Lock down is saving the lives of the weak and the elderly. That can only be a good thing. I don't want to live in a society where they are expendable"

Not all are weak or elderly either. Thought I'd just point that out but agree with everything you said. So much fake news

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"I know someone who took their own life 2 weeks ago because they couldnt afford their rent, had lost their job and saw no other way out"

There will have been so much more going on than the sweeping conclusion you've come to there.

Just why do some people feel it necessary to go out when they don't need to?

40% of wordwide deaths can be attributed to pollution of some sort. If we really are now all about being selfless and putting other people's lives above our own comfort then we will all stop producing excess pollution. We will stop driving when it's possible for us to to walk or bike. We'll stop buying things that are not essential. We'll stop using excess energy and just heat houses to the essential minimum. We'll only buy essential technology or use essential internet bandwidth. We'll only buy essential clothes. Never buy makeup. Never buy bottled water. Give up tea, coffee and chocolate. And so on.

Unless, of course, the "judging others for putting their own wants above someone else's life thing" is just specific to C-19?

Because I would lose my job if I dont go in as a keyworker

@circusintown erm excuse me did you miss the part where I said I know them? are you about to tell me about my own friend?

please don't be so naive as to assume this isnt going to affect some peoples mental health in the most damaging of ways

Cancer patient can't have treatments
Know two people with cancer and they are still having treatment at the moment, one was delayed for a few weeks (wales) the other (london) has been going to her appointments as normal

Babies are born and they are not able to have the dad on the ward. The mum is having to cope without the after support a partner can bring.
Partners are allowed at the birth, but tbh dads on the ward over night is not really good practice anyway and its time it stopped.Thankfully not allowed when i spent 7 weeks in hospital. The babies i know been born in lockdown are home within a day anyway

weakandweary Your common-sense post is such a refreshing breeze I am repeating it. Can't get bold or italic to work.

Sadly people will die.But the stats in this country are not clear. Each "daily count" is several days that come through together. They are not doing postmortems on many and just writing they died from covid 19 if they had some symptoms. Something else could have killed them.
The deaths in care homes are not counted. Yet 10,000 die a month in carehomes anyway. So did they have corona? Were they even tested?
It's so so horrible to see anyone's life has been lost. Younger deaths are thankfully rare. Thankfully kids are ok mostly. Sadly the nurses get exposed to it alot more.
But there isn't a vaccine. The economy can't survive. People's mental health is getting worse. People need to keep healthy and go out for fresh air. Where else are they going? Nowhere is open apart from supermarkets etc. Keeping busy is important if it keeps you same. As long as you are not near others.
I'm also scared of this virus. I've not been anywhere shop wise since it started. Managed with slots and a full freezer and a milkman.
But I understand we won't have a choice but to mingle again before a vaccine. It will be different from normal though.
The situation is very sad. But we've been locked down for ages now and people need to get working again so things don't crash forever.
Think of our children's futures. We don't want everywhere to go under and them to live through a time of poverty and no opportunities.
My heart goes out to everyone who had died. But people should stop watching the news apart from a small snippet. I stick to the 5pm sky news as I really like listening to Jennie and Chris whitty. I also liked to listen to Boris. But sky news and BBC etc just scare people. They share the tradgedy. They don't tell you the positives.
Guess what too. So many other conditions are being forgotten.
Babies with clubfoot can't get treatment in the weeks it works best for them.
Cancer patient can't have treatments
Operations have been cancelled
Babies are born and they are not able to have the dad on the ward. The mum is having to cope without the after support a partner can bring.
People are not ringing ambulances and dying because they feel covid 19 is all that matters now.
It's sad but people can die from many things at any age. It's as equally sad