BBC Breaking my heart this morning

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Its just so shit all these loved ones gone all these mothers and fathers leaving young children behind 😥

Can't understand why people want to go out and risk it regardless of lockdown... so scary!

I also went onto the gov website as the media are stating that there were no tests available.

Went on twice last night and twice there were slots showing for England and Scotland. They were the drive through ones though.

So the website hasnt crashed. There are slots available. Why dont we celebrate this? I know, I know some people dont have cars, journey could be 1-2 hours but its not as bad as the media is making out.

Unless someone can correct me!

Social distancing for the future will be key. Wondering about airlines though. How on earth will they manage? Concerts, football matches etc I can see wont be back for months.

We still need to live, but we can take precautions, and there are many people posting on mumsnet saying that they "don't believe in lockdown" that "we all just need to get it and get immune" and really they need to see this and also look at the daily figures about how many people are still getting the disease and - well, just respect social distancing.

This is the fear that is preventing an early end to lockdown. Far too many people are likely to go back to their old ways of ignoring social distancing, not washing hands, not catching sneezes/coughs, etc. If everyone would actually adopt sensible easy precautions like that, we could start getting back to normal etc, but people are too arrogant to do what they're told and the streets/shops/public transport will soon return to being virus hot spots.

@sunglasses123

Essentially there aren't enough tests to adopt a track and trace system which would allow a meaningful reopening of the economy which is the issue. Obviously a 1-2 hour journey is also completely useless for the kind of people who actually need testing. I clould easily drive 1-2 hours but I'm not sick and not working so it would be pointless.

I simply don't understand how people can't understand this.

ive seen so many people say what will you do as sson as lockdowns lifted."oh ill go and see ans hug my mum"...

helloLock down is saving the lives of the weak and the elderly. That can only be a good thing. I don't want to live in a society where they are expendable.

Agree with everything you said, but this. And I speak from personal experience of serious Covid. I'm not weak, and I'm not elderly.

Essentially there aren't enough tests to adopt a track and trace system which would allow a meaningful reopening of the economy which is the issue.

Would it though? Track and trace relies on people self isolating once they've been exposed or caught it. It doesn't stop them getting it themselves. So, it's whole ethos is to protect others. Same as social distancing, staying in, avoiding non essential journeys, washing hands, catching sneezes, self isolating with symptoms etc etc - all the things that lots of people have proved themselves incapable of doing!

There are even people who admitted they went to Cheltenham and that Liverpool football match even though they had symptoms!

Would that same kind of stupid person stay in and avoid contact just because some app told them they'd spent 15 minutes on a train with someone who had covid? I doubt it!

"Lock down is saving the lives of the weak and the elderly. That can only be a good thing. I don't want to live in a society where they are expendable"

This isn't what 'lockdown' is designed to do. Nor was it ever. There is now no possibility of containing this virus. That's been made clear to us from the beginning.

"Would that same kind of stupid person stay in and avoid contact just because some app told them they'd spent 15 minutes on a train with someone who had covid?"

No it wouldn't. Because people are selfish. Someone I know started experiencing symptoms ("temperature through the roof and can't taste a thing") 5 days ago. This morning her kids pop up on a Facebook post having been dropped off at school and she's caught the bus to the care home she works in. Utterly stupid and selfish.

"This isn't what 'lockdown' is designed to do. Nor was it ever"

Of course it was. Except some aren't weak or elderly of course.

Without NHS treatment and beds available there are many that would die at home when otherwise they would've survived.

Although it is a complex issue- many are not getting to hospital soon enough as ambulances won't take them and others have different conditions and are not getting treated.

As for the care home worker on the bus what can she do? No one is paying her full wage if she stops work are they? it is all well and go for the rich entitled sitting at home on f £2k a month furlough to go on about it but people who are not having income replaced by the state have no other choices and no £96 a week sick pay is nothing like enough for most people to pay their rent.

I agree with you OP, there are some right dick heads out there, and on Mnet, by the sounds of it.
Pretty obvious you weren't talking about key workers.
I agree with you entirely, and I've lost all my income.

Can't understand why people want to go out and risk it regardless of lockdown

Because each individual thinks 'just this one'..'the chances of me catching it are very small'...''I am sure I don't have it so I won't infect anyone'....'I'm following the guidelines, I only pop into a shop once a day as part of my daily walk which is allowed so that's ok.

NB I am not talking about key workers, etc or anyone living with authentic other circumstances...children with SEN who need to be taken out, important medical appointments etc.

I go out because I’m not scared of getting it. I’m out working all week with over a hundred people, no social distancing. No one else cares either. It’s on here I see people worrying.

My heart absolutely goes out to anyone who is not able to stay home and get paid, it is wrong on all levels!!

Why is it wrong? Not a chance I would want to be at home..... no thank you!!

When people say they can’t believe people are going out etc, they CLEARLY aren’t aimed at people going out to work it’s aimed at people purposely breaking lockdown guidelines, visiting friends etc.

Pretty obvious you weren't talking about key workers.

You do know its not just key workers who are allowed to go out to work?

It’s super easy for someone with a comfortable home and no money worries to insist on all but essential activity to be prohibited indefinitely. The reality is that one persons ‘non essential business’ is someone else’s livelihood. It’s true that pubs, restaurants and a lot of shops aren’t essential in way that we’ve come to understand it but they are essential to the people who work in them who need to feed their families. That’s why lockdown can’t go on.

We need to protect the NHS but we also need to fund it, and we can’t do that forever with half the population sitting at home not paying any taxes.

So I can fully understand why people want to ‘risk it’ and allow some normality to return.

Of course it is sad that some parents are dying are leaving young children, there for the grace of god go we all.

However, on a population level, the absolute number of deaths of people is still infinitesimally small. Excess deaths of 40,000 out of 67,000,000 is 0.0006 of the population. In normal times every day 1,500 people die, and 2,000 babies are born. On a individual basis, of course it is devastating, but statistically the human race continues to grow.

@Xenia

"As for the care home worker on the bus what can she do? No one is paying her full wage if she stops work are they?"

This isn't a wages issue. And she could've and should've stayed at home 2 more days.

Cancer patient can't have treatments

My friend is having radiotherapy right now.

Babies are born and they are not able to have the dad on the ward. The mum is having to cope without the after support a partner can bring

Just like every woman who had an NHS birth until about ten years ago. I bet there are a lot of news mothers absolutely delighted by this as they’re saved from having to put up with other women’s partners.

It’s not the partners not allowed in the postnatal ward that’s the problem. I’ve just given birth, I could explain all the really quite difficult restrictions that have come into play for pregnant women, those giving birth and postnatal mothers and their babies, but given that I was told on here to be grateful not to be giving birth in a refugee camp alone like Shamima Begum I’m reluctant to share my experiences when I’m feeling vulnerable. No doubt I fall into the selfish feeble whinger category for many of you.

My mother is a working GP. Her risk assessment is that my MH will be at higher risk than the risks associated with us contracting CV19 if we are not permitted to see each other soon. But what would she know, eh?

@Alsohuman

Ten years ago mum was better supported by hospital staff. The idea behind allowing dads was so they could provide care for baby and alleviate healthcare staff.

You’re comparison isn’t as simple as you’ve made out.

FGS would people stop saying their friend is having their cancer treatment as if it makes it true that EVERYONE is.

They're not. The NHS acknowledges it, cancer research UK acknowledges it. Senior medics have expressed serious concerns about it.

One of the UKs leading Oncologists and professor at Imperial College, London Professor Pat Price said at the weekend "we are most certainly going to lose more patients to cancer than to COVID-19" (not just caused by delayed treatments but delayed diagnosis and screening)