BBC Breaking my heart this morning

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Its just so shit all these loved ones gone all these mothers and fathers leaving young children behind 😥

Can't understand why people want to go out and risk it regardless of lockdown... so scary!

I’m a TA, I have to go to school and 6/7 year olds won’t socially distance. I don’t want to be there. Am I selfish?

We’ll fundamentally human beings are selfish. So that includes us all.

Some more than others. Working is one thing, mental health another. This affects me and is boring is another. The latter not so nice and we probably all work or know one of these type of people.

Some more than others.

I disagree, I think that some are more self aware about their innate selfishness than others. This then affects their behaviour because they tend to consider others more.

Totally agree that lots of people don’t have a choice but to go to work (I am working but working from home). Is it selfish to want to eat and pay rent/mortgage so you are not homeless? Is it also selfish to work to pay taxes which pay for the NHS (many people seem to have forgotten this latter point!)

I think others just care more others are just in their own bubble. Generally talk all of the time and have poor listening skills.

Anyway don't want to derail the thread

I was watching “when will lockdown lift” last night. The economist said there will be a rise in deaths if lockdown continues much longer and that needs to be weighed up. Another scientist said we need to learn to live with the virus and we should all expect to catch it at some point. With that in mind I suppose some people care starting to think what’s the point of staying home longer. The ICU’s are generally coping apparently.

@FergusComeLately no I don't think that is what she meant. Who cares if a few poor people starve? What's a few more homeless people?

@Teateaandmoretea it's not about what I want it's what the government weakly advised! People will go stupid - parties everywhere pubs full etc. And then second wave before we know it. The figures reported are a load of nonsense, only hospital admissions are in statistics, you only have to look at the crisis in care homes to see the bigger numbers. Do these people not matter as they are older, are they expendable?

The disregard for people’s mental health is staggering, and so soon after the #bekind movement. A lot of the same people on social media who posted those hashtags are now spying on their neighbours and generally taking great delight in scaring and being very unkind to others. We received an anonymous letter about visitors and being reported to the police. It wasn’t meant for us, they had mistaken us for the next door neighbour... whose wife had just died, alone, in a care home and they were his children who had visited. Can you imagine the pain that a grieving widower would have had receiving that letter?

Am I selfish?

Yes, but being selfish is sometimes perfectly reasonable/ sensible which is something that mumsnet doesn’t acknowledge. Plus In any case you are putting it to one side and getting on with it anyway as you are aware of it and realise you have to do your very important job. Our lives, personalities and the lockdown are in shades of grey. All we can do as individuals is our best.

@benjiB what channel was this on please?

it's not about what I want it's what the government weakly advised!

Didn’t you also say you wanted a stricter lockdown for longer? Do you not acknowledge that somewhere in your actions is selfishness?

Sadly people will die.

But the stats in this country are not clear. Each "daily count" is several days that come through together. They are not doing postmortems on many and just writing they died from covid 19 if they had some symptoms. Something else could have killed them.

The deaths in care homes are not counted. Yet 10,000 die a month in carehomes anyway. So did they have corona? Were they even tested?

It's so so horrible to see anyone's life has been lost. Younger deaths are thankfully rare. Thankfully kids are ok mostly. Sadly the nurses get exposed to it alot more.

But there isn't a vaccine. The economy can't survive. People's mental health is getting worse. People need to keep healthy and go out for fresh air. Where else are they going? Nowhere is open apart from supermarkets etc. Keeping busy is important if it keeps you same. As long as you are not near others.

I'm also scared of this virus. I've not been anywhere shop wise since it started. Managed with slots and a full freezer and a milkman.

But I understand we won't have a choice but to mingle again before a vaccine. It will be different from normal though.

The situation is very sad. But we've been locked down for ages now and people need to get working again so things don't crash forever.

Think of our children's futures. We don't want everywhere to go under and them to live through a time of poverty and no opportunities.

My heart goes out to everyone who had died. But people should stop watching the news apart from a small snippet. I stick to the 5pm sky news as I really like listening to Jennie and Chris whitty. I also liked to listen to Boris. But sky news and BBC etc just scare people. They share the tradgedy. They don't tell you the positives.

Guess what too. So many other conditions are being forgotten.

Babies with clubfoot can't get treatment in the weeks it works best for them.

Cancer patient can't have treatments

Operations have been cancelled

Babies are born and they are not able to have the dad on the ward. The mum is having to cope without the after support a partner can bring.

People are not ringing ambulances and dying because they feel covid 19 is all that matters now.

It's sad but people can die from many things at any age. It's as equally sad.

People aren't just risking it for essential work though there was a huge fire in Dorset yesterday because a group got together for a bbq in the woods! Took several fire crews to put it out and loads of damage caused.

Some people are inherently selfish arseholes who only care about themselves.

I'm sorry you're upset OP

New Zealand today - 1 recorded new case! Imagine if we had locked down early and controlled it in similar way - we could ease lockdown, but keep the 14 day quarantine rule for people entering the country and we could more or less ride this out until there's a vaccine and live our lives pretty much a normal.

@AvalancheKit "But social media forums - for one thing - are a place where you will find very diverse views. Great for parking threads but not so good for other things. Stay well away is my view"

Like you did on the phone/fix/burglar thread?

The OP clearly didn't mean those going to work. If you need to go to work then you need to go to work. You do not need to visit your friends to sit drinking and play cards. You do not need to stay over at a mates because she's got a hot tub and you are a "key worker anyway"

Chris Whitt’s said it himself last week in a briefing, there are 3 things which cause people to die in this
Coronavirus
People not able to access the NHS
Due to the economic and lockdown restrictions

And at every stage these will have to be balanced. For the first stage (this lockdown) the first was the priority to protect. We are moving now into the second (campaigns now to make people go I think slowly moving the NHS to starting up some stuff) then there will be the 3rd

This is a shit situation it’s awful but it is a virus that is causing it

"My heart goes out to everyone who had died. But people should stop watching the news apart from a small snippet. I stick to the 5pm sky news as I really like listening to Jennie and Chris whitty. I also liked to listen to Boris. But sky news and BBC etc just scare people. They share the tradgedy. They don't tell you the positives"

What are you talking about? You do realise the daily briefing is also shown on the bbc? You like listening to Boris? And "Jennie" and think that they are "telling you positives"?

I don't even know where to start.

I find some of these sort of comments so frustrating. Do people understand that New Zealand has a very strict border policy, a population that is around 12 times smaller than ours in a geographical location that is isolated and twice the size of the UK and has no free migration with an area the size of Europe?!
The first few cases in the UK were very carefully monitored and tracked, but because this is an exceptionally catching virus that has spread globally an early lockdown would only have meant that we delayed getting the virus in such a widespread way for a few weeks, whilst causing even more widespread economic damage first.
Locking down early cannot wipe out the virus, especially in countries like ours which are so connected to the rest of world due to having a large, multicultural, multinational population.

I think ppl are maliciously not understanding the Op here.
There are enough articles across the media of ppl going out for social reasons, and not keeping the proper distances when they do.
Yes we all need to put food on the table (although I have yet to read an article, where in this country ppl are dying from starvation), but assuming you are caught in this, taking a short term view will only hurt the country in the long run. If a second run hits because of ppl catching and passing on the virus, then the lockdown will have to be more severe to stop the country being overrun.
This is not a political view, this is the judgement from scientists and frontline medical staff, who are understand exactly what is going on and not the I am aright Jack mentality that seems to be prevalent on here and certain other members of society.

Ragwort,
Why not ask your friends to consider taking a pay cut for a month to help their taxpayer funded jobs? MPs taking a pay cut might help too.
I'm not being hostile at all but it might make them think?
Remind them that an exit strategy needs businesses to be fully functioning in order to pay wages.
I'm not for a lockdown removal yet myself but being smug isn't a good attitude either. I can sympathise with what your saying.

I think it's fairly obvious OP didn't mean going out to do something essential like work or go shopping once a week.

To try to be positive, I hope people have genuinely started to care about a wider circle than their immediate family and friends.
Perhaps then we will all start to look at how our behaviours affect others. In order to do that though we have to both use this new-found care AND look beyond coronavirus. Just as one of many examples, c. 40,000 early deaths in the UK are caused by air pollution, not to mention the many thousands of lives affected and ended early by the obesity crisis. Both those things also affect children far more than coronavirus does.
So as well as being sad about people dying from coronavirus, we should all do something in the future like driving and flying less, reducing consumption and looking after our health and our children's health better, which would put us in a stronger position to deal with both this and the next pandemics.
I very much doubt that we will do these things, because as a number of pps have pointed out, we are selfish. It's easy to cry about the news and shout at others; it involves an element of effort to actually change our own behaviours.
Perhaps next to the coronavirus death tally, we should have a tally of the early deaths due to these 'silent killers'.

This is an extremely challenging time for everyone and barring those old enough to remember WWII or the Cuban missile crisis probably the worst crisis any of us have experienced.

We have to deal with three primary threats/issues as individuals or families:

1. The threat of ourselves or a loved one contracting the virus and potentially dying, or ideed some other condition because of the stress the NHS is under.
2. The threat or actuality of losing income and not being able to provide for ourselves.
3. The impact of lockdown on mental health.

Everyone will have different views as to which of these is more pressing to them personally. We are all between a rock and a hard place but we stand the best chance if we pull together as a society. Judging others because their fears or priorities are different from yours is not pulling together.