BBC Breaking my heart this morning

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Its just so shit all these loved ones gone all these mothers and fathers leaving young children behind 😥

Can't understand why people want to go out and risk it regardless of lockdown... so scary!

The 2008 recession killed 600,000 people in the EU

Out of interest where does this statistic come from? I've seen people say this before (also stuff like UK austerity has killed 100,000) but it'd be interesting to see how this number has been calculated. Do you have a link?

Why do people come on here going “well I am shopping for EVERY VULNERABLE PERSON I KNOW??? is that GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU??”

a) clearly no one is implying key workers or people doing voluntary work should stop doing this
b) if you need to work to feed your children then I doubt anyone would tell you to let them starve
c) why do you feel the need to justify yourself?

OP didn’t put anywhere (unless I missed it) that she’s reporting neighbours to the police, or she’s posting photos of them on local pages. I’ve seen those posts and they’re horrible.

www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2020/04/21/how-coronavirus-is-impacting-cancer-services-in-the-uk/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwitvJvFoYjpAhV-UxUIHV6EAqQQFjAGegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw2rTQ_AtiNZdd-uejHPa4qv&ampcf=1

Cancer treatments being delayed or cancelled is not fake news.

To the OP. What about the rise in DV? Women to a greater extent who are literally trapped with their abusive partner, children who are stuck indoors with god knows what and suffering abuse?

My DF is in a care home. He is late 80's. He will sadly die of something in the next months/years. He is old. He has underlying health conditions. We have Power of Attorney sorted and I have a DNR order from him.

600,000 people die every year. There is a baby and a 3 year old who have been stabbed yesterday. That makes me very sad.

We need to live with this virus. We cannot lock ourselves in forever. Some on MN want a lockdown to last until a properly tested vaccine is in place. Complete madness. Someone else says they are vulunerable but want to be able to call a plumber so everyone should be locked away until that plumber can guarantee he is safe.

All of this isnt practical. Some are saying we could live on benefits until this is all sorted. Some other daft person suggested £200 per week per child to keep people going until this is all over (where do they think the money is going to come from!)

I didn't see it this morning, I am watching SkyNews more and more. Every day Sky read out about a few people who have died, not famous, not necessarily NHS or anything, I was watching it at the weekend and the presenter was struggling, it actually made me cry. She worked so hard at keeping the wobble in her voice under control as she talked about a greatgrandmother and how loved she was, a guy who had been a gardener and how his family missed him. For some reason it moved me more than anything else I've seen, I think it was just seeing how overwhelmed this professional newsreader was, I mean normally they don't show emotion do they.

I have two of mine and a DIL on the front line, one a nurse one a doctor so I know lots of people have to risk their health, risk their lives, I worry about the chances of my GC losing their mother. It is all so tragic.

Obviously 🙄 I do NOT mean people that have to work! My heart absolutely goes out to anyone who is not able to stay home and get paid, it is wrong on all levels!!

Even my DSis cannot go to work.. she is not being paid either! UC have given her £600 and her bills are £500 so she will need to try and find a job soon if she cant go back to work!

Its so shit 😥

600,000 people die every year. There is a baby and a 3 year old who have been stabbed yesterday. That makes me very sad. Makes your blood run cold doesn't it, those poor children.

for those who are questioning the 2008 recession and how many were killed due to it. You do know that the people who are being logged as dying from this virus often have other issues.

Saying that a 103 year old person has died of CV is lazy reporting. It might or might not have been the direct cause but at 103 to put it frankly (sorry!) their days are numbered anyway.

We can use any stats we want and use them to prove something. The key data to look at with regards to deaths is the DAILY death rates issued by NHS England. Not the deaths they announce daily which includes deaths from weeks ago. 500 people DID not die from CV19 yesterday. The peak was April 7th.

I agree with you OP, and realise unlike some posters, that you were talking about the popping to a friends, meeting up when not necessary. You obviously didnt mean going to work or buying food like some patronising posters have misconstrued.
Wonder why it is so often the first reply in a thread that is so stupid?

People are allowed to go to work (as long as they can social distance or wear PPE).

It's those who aren't going out for work, i.e. visiting friends/family, having parties, socialising, etc., that are the problem.

Also the cyclists/joggers who are ignoring the 2 metre rule!

The latter two groups may not be worried about themselves, but they''re risking other people catching it. That's what is selfish about them.

Saying that a 103 year old person has died of CV is lazy reporting. It might or might not have been the direct cause but at 103 to put it frankly (sorry!) their days are numbered anyway. Well everyone's days are numbered, we are all going to die of something so even with someone in their 20s it has just brought the day forward. I don't think we can put a number on it and say this side of the line matters and that side is oh well they'd have died anyway.

Where do you find the daily death rates issued by NHS England, are they issued in arrears, I mean not on the day so there is a lag?

Actually I realise they must be on the NHS site somewhere so I will have a look.

@sunglasses123

I would love for lockdown to be relaxed so I can go and see my DM who is disabled and struggling because she is raising her 3 grandchildren...

What I MEANT was the people still going out to the shops for the sake of a bottle of wine, my neighbours having bbq's with friends! All of the people on the back field having picnics and playing football... why risk it 🤷🏻‍♀️

I do NOT mean people working, food shopping, helping vulnerable people! Etc etc

People are going out to ensure you are safe at home. 2 doors up my neighbour left at 9am (doctor). My sibling is a doctor. My son drives every day delivering groceries - his job. My other son drives out to collect medicines for people who cannot leave the home and delivers them. I go out every day (in the car) for short work things to do with my work - justice system.

Also everyone in the country MUST work to keep people alive and fed and is allowed and expected to force themselves out there to work whether they like it or not unless they could work fro home or are in an occupation banned from working like a pub. It is the entitled luxurious few who can sit at home in their gilded castles pouring scorn on the heads of those going out when those going out are out to ensure the safety of those boarded up at home.

@CrazyTimesAreOccurring because unfortunately its mumsnet and you need to write a 3 page detailed Op so people do not assume and even then you are accused of a drip feed 🙈

@catinasplat oh absolutely we are very glad we received it instead of the neighbour! Terrifying that people feel it is OK to do this though.

Obviously 🙄 I do NOT mean people that have to work! My heart absolutely goes out to anyone who is not able to stay home and get paid, it is wrong on all levels!!

The thing is that some jobs just cannot be done at home and the businesses they might run are being crippled. This will lead to depression, poverty etc

Hairdressers, supermarket workers and factory workers preparing food for the shops (both DS's do these roles at present). I dont see why its wrong on all levels? It would be lovely if we could all be paid to sit at home and wait - who will be paying us? Do you want your children to be paying the costs of this lockdown for the rest of their lives?

There must be a middle ground on this. I heard Boris's speech earlier. I couldnt work out whether he was hinting for a further extension of the lockdown or not.

One positive out of all of this and its only a small one is that Corbym, Abbott and McDonnell have disappered off the face of the earth thank goodness, Starmer seems more willing to help rather than score points. And can someone take that twit Jon Ashworth off almost everything that I tune into it. He sounds pathetic and a right plonker (again!).

I heard his interview with Naga on BBC and honestly he hadnt been briefed properly and he was urging the govenment to do something they were already doing!

you realise you are at some point going to have to risk assess for yourselves? that even when they say we can go back out amongst our family and friends this virus will still be there, so saying things like I would love for it to be relaxed so I can go see my DM doesnt make a lot of sense from a risk perspective - just because you've been told you can doesnt mean there will be 0 risk which is what a lot of people dont seem to understand.

this lockdown isnt about your personal safety really, it was always about preventing the NHS getting overwhelmed

Honestly how many more of these threads? It's getting really silly now. There's multiple threads a day on the exact same thing. People have to go back to work to keep a roof over their head and feed their family, that's exactly why, not sure how many more times if needs to be said. It might be easier for you if your furloughed or whatever and can afford to be off longer and safely working from home but many aren't.

sunglasses, I agree with all that.

My son's job is delivering groceries so he has never been busier. I think he's pretty safe - they take temperatures every day and have for a month (although I am not sure that picks it all up),. I expect they clean the vans well and they don't take food into homes any more so he out there driving all day - he doesn't even pack the vans. My sibling is a doctor is obviously busy. I go out as needed for work (lawyer) which is nothing much - trips to send urgent papers abroad at post office where we have to use post as well as email etc.

I don't support the lock down on civil liberties grounds but despite that am complying with the law as we cannot pick which laws we happen to prefer in a civilised liberal democracy. However the UK is generally abiding by them. I think things like you cannot have a little site down because you are tired or just want to get some vit D from the sun on a little walk where you are miles from anyone is a bit silly and I hope we move to voluntary lock down only in early May. The crisis has brought out the best and the worst in people.

I was out there yet again this morning with gloves on picking up litter that is never usually there from the litter louts who have chosen this road for their daily walk.

Given the choice between a microscopic chance of death from coronavirus, or the absolute certainty of not being able to pay the bills, I'm going to continue to go out to work. I'm self employed and have been completely left to fend for myself by the government.

For me and my household, the risk assessment really doesn't come out in favour of staying home, thanks to the total lack of government support.

@AvocadosBeforeMortgages but are you visiting other households and not standing apart? Are you driving an hour to the coast for your "exercise"? Because those are the people OP is clearly referring to.

As for "please don't be so naive as to assume this isnt going to affect some peoples mental health in the most damaging of ways". Don't worry, I won't. Also please don't generalise the reason for suicide and bring it down to such a simplistic level of reasoning. It is very complex.

@thecatisginger that was not a common-sense and refreshing post. A lot of it is factually incorrect. It really didn't need sharing twice

Here is the relevant link and click on Covid19 Total Announced Deaths 26 April. This will show how many DEATHS occured on a particular day. You can see that the peak is 7/8th April.

This is how we know its going the right way. Goodness me, if it was going up something is seriously wrong and it took me a while to get my head around this. Some kind MN's person helped me understand!

www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

If you listen to the daily deaths announced during the daily gov briefings that is very misleading. A few days ago one hospital added in 79 deaths to their stats in one day meaning that the death rate was high that day. It doesnt mean those 79 died the day before

I really wonder at some posters - why willfully misunderstand. I think it's blindingly obvious OP wasn't critisizing doctors who go out to work or other key workers who need to leave the house.

@circusintown shut up seriously - you know nothing about the situation the person I knew found themselves in, his family know for a fact that the decision he made related directly to fears of his livelihood being taken away and not being able to keep the roof over his head. how dare you be so offensive as to tell me nor to generalise or simplify it when I have recently had someone in my life do it

We still need to live, but we can take precautions, and there are many people posting on mumsnet saying that they "don't believe in lockdown" that "we all just need to get it and get immune" and really they need to see this and also look at the daily figures about how many people are still getting the disease and - well, just respect social distancing.