Spain won't let us in? Holiday

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www.thesun.co.uk/travel/11460428/ibiza-majorca-travel-brits/

Sorry I know it's the sun but it says the Balearics think we were too late to lockdown so may not let us holiday there.

I'm assuming we're not going abroad this year

Criticism has mounted over the failure to impose health checks or a compulsory period in quarantine for people arriving at UK airport

I read the Times, too. However, this is affecting the whole world. Therefore, if you think about it logically you have someone coming from lockdown into lockdown. The risks are tiny.

Did the global pandemic pass you by OP?

I wish they actually would make a proper decision we booked to go last year and can't get our money back at the moment because it's In July and no band go upto that date at the moment
So would I. I know I'm not going but I would like that to be made official and be able to get a refund or voucher instead of the travel company carrying on as if everything is normal.

People are forgetting that some of these places rely so heavily on tourism as well so this may be what they also consider
As it stands I don't know which countries in Europe have actually said they are restricting travel in July and August hence while holiday companies aren't cancelling . My July holiday has not been cancelled by jet 2 as they are currently selling holidays for same date as well

@thejollygargler yes it does. Only nationals and legal residents. I’m in the Caribbean.

OK in 1986 we paid £100 a ticket return to Faro from Manchester, accommodation £30 for the week, so total cost self catering £230.

I remember this because mum had the children. So we may go back to comparable prices again.

justasking111 thats the sort of costs that I remember - flights being about 4 times the price of accommodation. I do hope we go back to those levels again. people need to realise the true cost of air travel in terms of carbon load. Plus I also hope we start eating a lot more home grown and seasonal foods.

the best thing any of us can do is to support our local businesses and local economy first. not get on a plane and spend money abroad the minute lock down is lifted.

we are all dealing with our own stuff at the moment - death of loved ones, people working in the nhs, people in the tourism/leisure industry, kids missing exams and graduations. these are all big things. I just dont include "missing my 2 weeks in somewhere hot" comes under the list of something big in your life.

we should be banning all travellers now except those staying in the hubs in between flights. there is no such thing as essential travel - not for family, work or anything else, not at the moment and I say this as someone who hasnt seen their parents for some time.

@occa

Thank you.

And there was me thinking I would have to cancel my uk holiday. You've got no chance of going to Spain. Just need to accept holidays are on hold for a while!

My parents are in their 70s and 80s and living in the UK, me abroad, and if something happened to them in the near future I would certainly give travel a go if there was a chance I could visit them one last time.

I'm visiting friends (this country) and have a b&b booked in France (owners asked if we were willing to accept a postponement rather than refund, ferry offered a voucher - so yes I do plan to go to France to help the b&b owners, who have upgraded us to half board as local restaurants are unlikely to be open. (Thank goodness it's a hiking holiday!)

DBML I’m not for a minute disputing Cathay companies and their employees will suffer as a result. They already are. Two of my clients are from the Tourism industry and I don’t see them recover unless everything goes back to exact as before within the next two months. Which will not happen. They will simply have to do something different, a different kind of tourism or a completely different industry. Same with their employees. Some will not have a job at all.
International tourism was not as widely accessible worldwide before airline companies mushroomed and flying became affordable. So the alternative may well be a return to reduced travel facilities (transport and accommodation). Lots of people will loose their jobs. I can’t see in the future, but it is logical to assume this will be the case.
There will be a lot of readjustment in people’s expectations and employment. Worldwide. It is already happening.
I fully expect that foreign leisure travel will reduce drastically for everybody. It’s not just the risk of taking the family abroad but money will be tight for Average Joe even with an available vaccine.
The economic damage has been done in most countries and there are and will be a lot of economic casualties.
It’s not a repeat of 2008 when most things recalibrated pretty quickly and it’s worse that the 80s.
Solid companies will gradually redress their international business travel but I expect they themselves would implement some sort of protocol.

We simply have to adjust for quite some time and work really hard to build towards a version of what it was, maybe a more sustainable version.

They will simply have to do something different, a different kind of tourism or a completely different industry. Same with their employees. Some will not have a job at all.

Yes - we are in tourism, and this is what I was going to say. The companies that will succeed will be the companies that work out how to adapt.

I'm in Maine. I don't expect international tourists this summer. We may get a wave of US tourists visiting, who can't go abroad.

How will we do this safely? I have no idea. To put it in perspective, my state has a population of 1.3 million. We've had 39 Covid-19 deaths, the majority in nursing homes.

We get 36 million visitors a year. Do we really want to let in that many people, almost all from areas with a much higher infection rate?

I really can't get my head around how to do this safely.

Even those saying we should all holiday in the UK, that doesn’t necessarily mean safe or good social distancing either!

Take our holiday parks, a huge part of our economy and tourism industry: Center Parcs, Butlins, Haven, Pontins (already a large disgrace I really can’t see them surviving this) Park Dean, Hoseasons.......all holiday parks with self catering accommodation. Questionable cleanliness at times (some places more than others). Ok so you can self cater in your own little villa/caravan/apartment but then what? They all have mass sharing swimming pools, large sports facilities where people cram in, playgrounds full of children, the accommodation is not normally that far apart from the next so easy to collide with your neighbours. So social distancing is basically out for those places.

National Trust, Museums, national parks, castles, other places of interest - social distancing will be impossible unless they severely limit how many can come in at a time - so either prior booking or “one in one out” type queuing. Prices will have to rise to make up for less people

We’ve already seen what the beaches will be like.

Theme parks? I can see the likes of Chessington, Peppa Pig World, Thorpe Park, Alton Towers suffering majorly after this. They’re only open half the year anyway and will have to make huge changes. Extend the queues and mark out the 2 meter squares like the supermarkets have. Implement one way systems. Again severely limits how many people in, so booking ahead will be vital or there will be way to many people trying in the morning. Then the rides themselves, not designed for social distancing - take a roller coaster, leave every second seat/carriage empty? One group only on a log flume or rapid ride, every second horse on the carousel, one child into peppa’s house at a time? It would take forever and be almost pointless to visit, so more losses.

I’m normally so positive, this whole situation is getting to me. The social distance measures are so important but they can’t stay that way forever and our world needs some serious changes made if they need to stay in place long term.

Even if things reopen banana, a lot of people have become that scared of this that they won’t go to them anyway. Some people are frightened of handling their own food when it is delivered. That fear is not going to just go away unless this virus is totally eradicated.

You know how it took a few weeks for people to adjust to #stayathome - but after a few weeks now, TV and radio shows are being made again, with the people featured in them on video links. Here in Germany, at first the restaurants were just shut - but then they started organising takeaway services. A nearby butcher even moved his sales out onto the street and played loud music to get the customers coming. Musicians have been finding ways to play together.
People are imaginative; they just need a while to adjust.

Here, people are talking about concerts and plays being possible if the seating is set up differently. About events happening that people attend in their cars. A couple of open-air cinemas are being planned.
People will come up with ideas. Frankly, it's something the British excel at.

People are so fun-starved that they would be thrilled to go to a drive-thru theme park and just look at Mickey Mouse waving and doing a dance from a distance! Zoos can become makeshift mini safari parks.

Think on this
If a restaurant were to be allowed to open, would they?
The is a significant cost in preparing to open and the big question would be.....would there be any customers? They could lose even more money while customers get used to the idea.
Perhaps a clever way would be to let your competitors open and then join in when people have got used to it.
Think the same about a Hotel

@helpfulperson

Children in Italy aren't allowed into shops. If you are a single parent and cannot leave them with anyone else there is an exemption for children under the age of 14.

Here you register your address with the town council each time you move and the police check your declaration. So your ID card could be checked if you tried to take a child in. I haven't seen any kids in shops in 8 weeks of lockdown.

@MissHoskins

I don't think Italy were late to lockdown, it was just that they were first in Europe to be hit. Now we are locked down, it's tight. All workers have to stay at home unless they're key workers, not just those who can't work at home like the UK.

This thread is so depressing.

People never going abroad again; theme parks becoming something for you tubers to explore on their “abandoned” uploads.
Disney World simply a drive through. No one allowed to go to a beach - because we know how they get...Flights are going to cost so much money, only billionaires will be able to afford them. (At this rate, they’d probably need to own the plane too, because I think some of you want the industry grounded.) Pubs and restaurants, a thing of the past. Olympics? Football matches? Concerts...gone indefinitely.

It’s almost like posters are delighting in the misery. And the environmentalists are thriving on the idea of airlines going bust, they couldn’t give a shit about all those people. Someone expresses a bit of hope - they’re shot down! ‘No you can’t think happy thoughts...you have to accept your life will be shit from this point on’.

Life isn’t going to end up like that. It just isn’t. Or if it does, you may as well shoot me now.

It’s not a case of ‘I want my holiday’ it’s just a case of trying to not cave in to the fucking negativity. It’s suffocating and I reiterate...all of this ‘misinformation’ because none of you actually know anyway. You’re all guessing...but only negative guesses allowed.

I’m going to stay hopeful. I’m hoping for my holiday. It’s special time with my family. I’m hoping that if this summer is too soon, I can go October, Christmas or whenever is next possible...and I might book two holidays to make up for it. Who cares what they cost.

But for now I’m going to leave you lot to it, because otherwise I might just end up barricading my doors; nailing the windows shut and slowly starving to death for fear the virus will get me.

And the environmentalists are thriving on the idea of airlines going bust, they couldn’t give a shit about all those people.

What an incredibly stupid comment. It's moronic stuff like this that causes these problems. IF we don't drastically improvie the impending environmental catastrophe we'll have massive economic shocks like these much more often - millions of lives will be lost and the future secutiry of the planet will be massively at risk. Of course people are more concerned about that than Disney Land. If you want to shoot yourself because you can't take cheap flights twice a year you need to get a grip.

@DBML I completely agree, and in my post a few pages back I said how I am still very much in the group hoping for my October Holiday, even if the hope is dropping.

My last point, about uk holidays, isn’t what I actually expect to happen. It’s what could happen if social distancing is absolutely insisted on for the next however many months and years and it will spoil are current way of life majorly. I don’t want these things to happen, I don’t want to wave at Mickey from a car and never go to a holiday park again - no way.

My (badly put) point is that these social distancing measures can’t stay around full term because it won’t destroy way too much. I’ve also said on other threads that I don’t believe for a second that leisure travel and airlines will drastically reduce, because the whole world is far to dependent on it.

I don’t see all doom and gloom trust me. But I am finding this whole pandemic hard to comprehend and that’s not easy.

• it WOULD destroy way to much, not won’t

"However, this is affecting the whole world. Therefore, if you think about it logically you have someone coming from lockdown into lockdown. The risks are tiny."

That is pretty naive. Lots of countries have completely ineffective lockdowns - look at Indonesia, it's a disaster there.

The risks are far from tiny. It just takes one person to start spreading this. It's not like the UK has a complete lockdown, people still work, go to school and go to the shops.