Spain won't let us in? Holiday

[lamplamplanp]

www.thesun.co.uk/travel/11460428/ibiza-majorca-travel-brits/

Sorry I know it's the sun but it says the Balearics think we were too late to lockdown so may not let us holiday there.

@ravenmum

yet another x-post sorry!

I think you are mixing up the current lockdown regulations (see my post above) with the tightening of border controls within the Schengen area. These are 2 different things.

As I have responded to another poster I travel frequently between France and Germany by plane (not at the moment obviously!) and I can often do this without any border controls or having to show my passport. When we drive to Spain there are no controls and the border is unmanned If travel is allowed in the forseeable future then I can expect to go through controls.

All the electronic attestations (like the one you have linked to above) have been mandatory for several weeks.

@mummymeister

I’m not about to go and hijack a plane and force them to take me to Spain am I?

If planes are flying passengers to Spain, it’ll be because travel is allowed. So I’m not sure what you’re on about.

Secondly, I’ve already stated that my insurance covers for treatment needed due to Covid and I would not travel without appropriate insurance.

So basically, you just WANT people to choose not to travel.

chocolatviennois - but people WONT just sit on a beach as a family group on their own. they really, really wont. they will have to go out to buy food. they will go for walks, they will park in car parks, use petrol pumps all of this. and why does a holiday have to involve travelling outside the UK? it doesnt. the whole idea of the partial lockdown in the UK is to keep numbers stable within communities. there are lots or rural areas where they have had cases and now those that had the virus are either back home or in the other place. so the amount of virus in the individual community has gone to zero.

The virus will start to naturally select those who regularly break the lock down or who dont observe social distancing.

The virus will start to naturally select those who regularly break the lock down or who dont observe social distancing.

That sounds like a threat lol.

Look, IF people are travelling it’ll be because it’s allowed. So why the melodramatics?

Yes, I was assuming that the second border control extension until October was referring to the attestations too. Hopefully you're right and it is only showing your passport. But I was planning on moving from Germany to France in September, and I'm putting off my plans as it's too uncertain for me. The autumn is when these things usually flare up again. Sure, booking a holiday is cheaper than moving, so less is at risk, but I would personally book at the very last minute if at all.

I’ve booked a holiday in the UK for May 2021 and frankly I’m beginning to think that was over-ambitious! I doubt any of us will be jetting off this summer.

mummymeister - I find your posts offensive given that I have not broken the lockdown once and neither has anyone in my family.

DBML - its not a threat its what virus's do.

The melodramatics as you call them are because we as a society as humans were way too slow to recognise how this pandemic started and how it needed to be shut down. look back at the history of plague villages. No one in, no one out until you were either dead or cured. thats how you stop the spread by stopping people spreading it.

and you are being just a bit naive to think that if people are travelling its because its allowed and that thats alright then. Are you not hearing the scientists? do you not realise that there are more of these virus's to come? I would also suggest anyone with travel insurance who thinks that they are covered re-checks with their insurers.

there will be a second wave and if you happen to be out of the country then, how are you going to get back?

There is no way holidays abroad will happen for the forseeable! This is a global pandemic and will take years to recover from. At the very best, travel abroad for leisure will be off the cards until next year.

And why take information from The Sun FFS.

"Social distancing in schools. Good one"

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52394685 maybe you could take it up with Nicola Sturgeon @lamplamplanp

@mummymeister

So are you saying that IF my prebooked holiday can go ahead, I should voluntarily cancel and not go, for the greater good?

chocolatviennois its your right to be offended. It doesnt change my view.

None of my family have broken the lockdown either and two of us are on the 12 week/vulnerable category.

and thats why I dont want to see travel, either in the UK or abroad opened up too early because of pressure from the airlines and from people who just cant manage without their foreign holidays.

Also consider, if all travel is stopped until a vaccine is found, what would happen to places like:

• The Maldives? Whole islands dedicated to tourism
• Florida, where the hotel taxes pay for schools, roads etc
• Greece, God bless them, whose summer tourism keeps them through the winter

Do you think all of these countries are really going to stop tourism until a vaccine is found?

@ravenmum

My grandchildren are in Germany
We can do a swap if you like!
Nobody knows what will happen re the attestations, but I can post when we get some clarification.

Just to completely derail the thread....Which part of France are you moving to?

DBML if your prebooked holiday abroad goes ahead, then I would expect you to quarantine when you return for 14 days if you decided not to cancel.

this is what social distancing measures mean.

I would also expect you to have travel insurance that was guaranteed to cover you for any medical expenses abroad or any forced repatriations.

countries are going to continue to go in and out of various sorts of lockdowns for the foreseeable future. you might be "lucky" and find a window of time that coincides with your particular holiday but thats not a gaurantee that you are going to be able to leave one country or enter another.

so in specific answer to your question i would be cancelling and taking a credit note.

If you look at the EU site I have linked above France appears to be suspending Schengen until end of Oct

France re-introduced border controls and temporary suspension of Schengen after the Paris terror attack, and they've been extending it every 6 months since then. That just means there were controls, not that nobody except residents can enter, like at the moment. There are tens of thousands of people working in one country and living in another, crossing borders every single day - if all businesses are expected to open, they cannot keep the borders closed either.

There is some information here if you understand Spanish (I don't!): www.elmundo.es/economia/2020/04/18/5e99ee73fdddff41be8c07e2.html

(Google translate is also an option but often has errors, so not totally reliable).

@mummymeister

Ah well, it would be your right to take a credit note.

I wouldn’t.
I’d enjoy my holiday. )Of course checking my insurance).

I would be happy to self isolate for 14 days on return if that was one of the rules. I would not do that voluntarily though.

I realise positivity isn't really welcome here, but on the subject of travel it's worth remembering that even Ferguson's doomsday predictions suggest far fewer cases by the end of May and even less than that by the end of June - so plans made of the basis of how things are right now will most likely change

ATM the money's being thrown at telling us how awful everything is and whipping up the sort of competitive hysteria we see on here, but various groups lobbying on behalf of others losing their health and livelihoods will grow louder until, hopefully, we see a little more balance

And for some of us it can't come soon enough

Heiko Maas the German foreign minister said yesterday that ' there will be no holidays as we know them (meaning in the normal sense) this year" why would any country in mainland Europe be stupid enough to allow holidaymakers in.It would just importing more Covid 19. it would be absolutely bonkers.

I can't see the issue with not going on holiday untill next year. Surely for the greater good of our country we can all wait untill next year to go on holiday. I dont see how youd be able to bloody relax on holiday anyway. This is a virus, it's not just gonna fuck off because people want their week in Spain 😂😂

@Rottnest

I think you are spot-on in your perception of what happened.

www.minghella.com/eleven-days-in-march/

I lived in the UK for a long time and many of us have family and friends there. It's been deeply distressing watching, from Ireland, what was happening the UK during the delay before lockdown. I still can't get my head around what happened and just how badly the government let down the people.

To any posters who are saying the UK is a "laughing stock", it's really (really) not. You're our closest neighbour. I doubt there's a family in Ireland who don't have someone they love living in the UK. Everyone I know is just very upset about it.

Because it's hard to trust the UK Government will make the best decisions about lifting restrictions when they are still insisting they made the right decisions at the right time about lockdown. How can they see what's happened and not try to work out what went so wrong.

Incidentally, one of the things we got very wrong in Ireland is nursing/residential homes. The spread there is acknowledged to be out of control there. Our government acted too late prioritising them.

I also hope things continue to go as well as possible in Australia, Rottnest.

I can't see the issue with not going on holiday untill next year

Me neither, but people do travel between countries for other reasons and I am not sure quite how that distinction can be made.

@katherinarosalie

Thank you for succintly summing up the point I have been struggling to make!

@thejollygargler
Yes I agree it will be hard to tell whether it's for a genuine reason (work, visiting family) or just fucking off for an all inclusive!