Spain won't let us in? Holiday

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www.thesun.co.uk/travel/11460428/ibiza-majorca-travel-brits/

Sorry I know it's the sun but it says the Balearics think we were too late to lockdown so may not let us holiday there.

I won't have any patience for anyone who voted for Brexit now moaning they can't go on an international holiday ... surely this is the dream for them!

@chocolatviennois

Oh please 🤦‍♀️ spare the sob story! I think most children will be more appreciative of seeing their family and friends once measures start to lift rather than sodding off on holiday to cause a lovely 2nd wave for the world to enjoy 🖕

I doubt that insurance would exist should people be allowed to fly. Also, Airlines are saying unless gov foot the bill for the empty seats they'd need to socially distance then they won't be flying anywhere.
You can't expect the tax payer to fund aircraft for holidays when half of them couldn't afford to take a holiday.

chocolate

Talk about priorities. Isn't being alive good enough for you. I have a 16 year old with cancelled GCSE's she's just glad to be with family, a foreign holiday is the least priority.

I cannot imagine the inner life of an 18 year old to be so empty as to need 'events' at all costs.
Do they think shopping is a hobby, too?

(I have got DC in that age group, and they have friends, too.)

ChocolatViennois, Covid aside I think bringing up your teenage children to think international flights are absolutely necessary to happiness, in a world where for the survival of the planet it is absolutely necessary we all cut down on our air travel soon, is a very bad idea.

I was wondering about the border controls in the EU as DH has family who live in Alsace but work Germany. Public transport crosses the border.

the countess - where did I say I was taking a flight?

@thejollygargler Strasbourg, so only just France :) but badly hit by CV, probably due to the Ischgl effect.

Chazs currently only German residents and cross-border worker permit holders are allowed into Germany. And you can't go to work and do a bit of shopping as well, will get a massive fine.
But the people who can work from home are supposed to work from home, and of course pretty much everything else is closed, so there is just a fraction of the usual traffic crossing. Once all companies open up again and all French people working in Germany are expected to go back to work, I really don't see that they can check each and every permit. You would need hours to cross the border.

@ChazsBrilliantAttitude There are exceptions on that border for cross-border workers; sounds like they are quite well organised.

There is no way that anyone is going anywhere on holiday abroad this summer. We have a caravan in this country and I seriously doubt we’ll even be able to use that this season.

I'm surprised that you haven't been told to have a yet......

@BenjiB

There is no way that anyone is going anywhere on holiday abroad this summer.

You may well be right...but you don’t KNOW that with certainty do you.

I assume you don't have a year 13 child who has lost A levels, 18th birthday party, part-time job and start of university looking iffy.

I assume you haven't had close family members die, lose their careers and livelihoods, and potentially soon their home, or going through hell working on the front-line of the NHS.

Holidays are a few days of fun. This is far more serious than that and you know it.

@Krong

I equally assume that you neither work, nor have anyone very close to you who works in the travel industry and is risk of job loss, if the leisure industry has to wait around for a vaccine?

I also assume that you’re not in the unenviable position of not being able to feed your family over the winter because your business couldn’t open over the summer and you’ve got a government that isn’t the U.K. and not bailing people/businesses out.

This pandemic is affecting everyone from all walks of life, globally and will impact different people in a whole host of terrible, terrible ways.

The leisure industry is no different to any other and if it has to wait too long, thousands of people will suffer. And I’m not just talking about the people who want to go and sunbathe under a palm tree, I’m talking about the workers both here and probably even more so abroad.

@DBML Do you think all of these countries are really going to stop tourism until a vaccine is found?

Perhaps not stop it entirely, but they will need to have some new rules in place, surely? One possible strategy might be to have compulsory quarantine for 14 days upon entry to any country. That would of course mean that a 2-week holiday would by necessity have to become a 6-week break from work: 2 weeks quarantine on entry, 2 weeks holiday in the chosen destination and 2 weeks quarantine on re-entry to the UK.

The big question would be, of course, what happens if you develop symptoms in the destination country during the quarantine period?

@ravenmum that's a long way from us - we are SW.
I hope everything works out for you.

I live outside the UK and we're not letting any tourists from anywhere in until September at the earliest.

As and when, we should be spending our money locally.
After we have helped to support our own local economy only then should we think of getting on a plane

@80sMum

Yes absolutely I think there will be regulations.

I don’t think the ones you have suggested are realistic. They are the sort of rules one would expect if travel immediately recommenced. They would likely mean holidays could not be taken, leaving the tourism industry just as badly affected.

I believe though that we will see the numbers of CV cases come down over the next few months or so. As the numbers reduce to manageable levels, it will become easier to test and trace people affected by the virus.

Only when testing/tracing is in place and proving to be a successful method of reducing new cases would I imagine some form of green light to be issued to travel and tourism.

Initially, I would expect that there would be some way that boarder control would be able to see whether you have recently been directly affected by covid-19. This could be done through the NHS tracing app perhaps?

I would expect social distancing to be in place at the airport, with a defined one way queuing system and hand sanitiser stations throughout the airport. Limited people through at a time and direction to specific areas/gates.

I would expect some use of masks, perhaps gloves.

At the destination airport each country would have their own way of testing/controlling social distancing.

Again to reiterate, I am talking about when the numbers of coronavirus cases are much, much lower.

No that could be a year from now. I’m not arguing how fast it SHOULD be. I’m just saying that no line actually knows when it will be...and if it so happened to be sooner rather than later, I’d be up for taking my vacation.

Either way though, if we can’t ever make a vaccine for this virus, what will we do? Never go on holiday abroad again?
People are saying ‘we’ll go next January’...but what’s the difference between next January and this July, if the numbers were appropriate? Surely then it’s just down to confidence.

@occa does that include people visiting close family? I appreciate that it's a very fine distinction.

@Gfplux

A vacation for my sister is seeing somewhere different. Being away from home and enjoying family time.

A vacation for me is about sunshine, sweat and swimming pools. A UK holiday doesn’t appeal to me and I wouldn’t take one, even if I could never go abroad again.

Plus, people will have prebooked holidays and didn’t know prior to this that they should be supporting our economy. Assuming if those holidays could go ahead, cancelling them in favour of a U.K. ‘economy support’ vacation, could be very expensive.

I wish they actually would make a proper decision we booked to go last year and can't get our money back at the moment because it's In July and no band go upto that date at the moment
Don't want to go anyway as if I was to become ill abroad and have to self isolate in a one bed apartment or worst still admitted to hospital hoping travel insurance will pay etc