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No vaccine please

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Scienceisgreat76 · 17/04/2020 21:39

I have decided not to have the vaccine for coronavirus when it is rolled out. I don’t trust the government and will not be used as a pilot. It seems this will be a rushed vaccine (tested-yes) but we will not know the long term side effects until years down the line. I will politely decline the vaccine until I feel fully informed. Anyone else declining it?

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HuaShan · 18/04/2020 08:27

I am a health care worker and I will be first in the queue for any vaccine. I have already had 4 colleagues hospitalised, 2 ventilated and one loose her brother.

chickenyhead · 18/04/2020 08:32

OP posted this thread after making her decision.

What other purpose or response was expected? We all know people who are dying, there isn't currently a vaccine.

The point of her post therefore was?

People are being nasty because this is deliberately goady

H

turnthebiglightoff · 18/04/2020 08:37

OP isn't an anti vaxxer but is anti this vaxx. Something ironic there I think. Enjoy your illness OP.

MigginsMs · 18/04/2020 08:39

Totally agree @Wannabangbang. Happy to reap the benefit of herd immunity though.

PlanDeRaccordement · 18/04/2020 08:40

“the hastily developed swine flu seems to have given narcolepsy, a life-destroying disease, to a small but not insignificant of its recipients. When a vaccine is developed swiftly it is by definition impossible to judge its long-term effects.”

Yes that happened but not due to being developed quickly. It was because the required clinical trials do not have a large enough group of human volunteers to find the 1 in a 1,000,000 side effects. But this is true of ALL vaccines newly developed, prioritised or not, because it is not a requirement to test a vaccine on several million people before mass production. And it can’t be a requirement either. Simply because injecting more than a few thousand is defined as mass production.

So whether a new vaccine took 10years or 10 months, the producers will not know about any 1 in a 1,000,000 side effects. Ever.

frumpety · 18/04/2020 08:45

It is also worth pointing out that there wasn't just one swine flu vaccine, it was one particular vaccine produced by one company that was responsible for triggering narcolepsy in some individuals.

ErrolTheDragon · 18/04/2020 08:46

12 or 18 months is way too rushed and this vaccine will NOT be safe. It will cause more harm to people in long term

Are you an expert in any relevant field?

If not... do you think the people trying to develop the vaccine are stupid, and don't understand all the issues re risks? Hmm when and if there's an effective vaccine, there will doubtless be properly informed prioritisation and advice as to who should have it.

IsadoraQuagmire · 18/04/2020 08:48

Incidentally I just heard on the radio that the WHO say there is "no evidence" that having had the virus gives you immunity.
This was in the 8.30 news bulletin on LBC.

leafygarden · 18/04/2020 08:48

I wont have the vaccine either! Normally it takes 10 years on average to produce a vaccine , to go through all testing etc etc. 12 or 18 months is way too rushed and this vaccine will NOT be safe. It will cause more harm to people in long term. NO from me.

@ThePrettyOneX

What are your professional qualifications?

Interested to know if you have a medical or scientific background.

leafygarden · 18/04/2020 08:49

@ErrolTheDragon whoops - sorry - have basically repeated your post

PhilCornwall1 · 18/04/2020 08:50

OP, one question for you. If in time you get an illness and there is a drug available to help you, but you can only have it if you have this vaccine, would you then have it?

It's a situation I have been in. I was offered a drug (and took it) that whilst it won't cure me, will give me my life back to a high degree and stop me being in constant agony. One of the many conditions attached to this drug was that I must have specific vaccinations and if I didn't I wouldn't be given the drug. If I don't continue to have them, I will be taken off the drug immediately. So of course I have them.

Coronavirus itself doesn't concern me one bit and I'm very high risk apparently (in the so called shielding group), if the vaccine isn't a live one and I'm told I need to have it to continue on my drugs, then I will. If it's live, I won't even be considered for it.

Sometimes, the simple decision about yes or no to things are taken out of your hands by other factors. If I didn't have all of the above to think about, getting it wouldn't be a priority to me.

GreenTulips · 18/04/2020 08:51

The sooner they find a vaccine the better.

The death rate will only increase when lockdown is lifted.

Looks like it will be trades first, then fit young people, next the over 30-under 40 people with no health risks,

By letting these people out they hope they get infected and recover, the elderly and vulnerable and here for the long term.

I’d be happy to have a vaccine. Scientist know what they are doing, they’ve had years of research in similar viruses.

The sooner the better.

Ulver · 18/04/2020 08:53

I’m confused that people are still pushing the herd immunity theory.
Didn’t the WHO just say that having Coronavirus doesn’t necessarily infer immunity?
And that the idea promoted by Boris was of infecting the entire population is to let the virus burn out, not to gain immunity as that is not a given?
Plus there are now multiple strains which have mutated.

gogglegoggle · 18/04/2020 08:53

I cba to read the whole thread of antivax tosh but I'm really interested to know what you're going to do to build your immunity up against covid 19 - in fact I think the whole country and especially the ITU units I work in would be delighted to know your plan? Biscuit

Ulver · 18/04/2020 08:55

IsadoraQuagmire

Incidentally I just heard on the radio that the WHO say there is "no evidence" that having had the virus gives you immunity.
This was in the 8.30 news bulletin on LBC.

I heard that too.
The thing that worries me about a vaccine is that Trump seems overly invested in the idea. Mostly as a cash cow to make up for lost hotel revenue it seems.
My trust in a vaccine would depend on who endorsed it and where it came from.

Ulver · 18/04/2020 08:57

If it was a US only expensive patented vaccine I would have doubts.
If it was a German/Swiss vaccine that was being developed for general use and endorsed by the WHO I would trust it.

ErrolTheDragon · 18/04/2020 09:04

I'm really interested to know what you're going to do to build your immunity up against covid 19 - in fact I think the whole country and especially the ITU units I work in would be delighted to know your plan?

Yes, me too. What's the secret, OP?

Any hints for immunocompromised people who rely on herd immunity to protect them from other infectious diseases?

PhilCornwall1 · 18/04/2020 09:08

My trust in a vaccine would depend on who endorsed it and where it came from.

I'd keep clear if the company producing it is called Trump Pharmaceuticals!!

Ulver · 18/04/2020 09:08

It depends where you live and what regulatory bodies you have. In the US you have a president pushing malaria meds as an unproven and dangerous miracle cure when he has financial interests in the company that manufactures them. In the U.K. and Europe you would hope that our regulations would prevent a situation like that here. Though I’m not sure what regulations were thrown out the window in recent govt emergency legislation.

nicky7654 · 18/04/2020 09:14

This is why measles is back and killing men/women and children all around the world!!! 900 children in Madagascar died last year of measles and thousands were infected in the Jewish Community in USA. Scientists are doing everything possible to protect you and your family so why wouldn't you accept it??? I suppose to you dying of pneumonia is fine!!!!!!

Jollypolly999 · 18/04/2020 09:17

I think OP is sp

Jollypolly999 · 18/04/2020 09:19

Spot on!

Everyone has a choice and yet everyone on here is quick to jump on her when she

bellinisurge · 18/04/2020 09:22

Yawn. Herd immunity isn't about freedom of choice. It's about a sufficient number of people not being selfish and ignorant so that the virus doesn't pass easily through the community.
I also hope it won't be mandatory. But The government hoped people wouldn't be selfish and ignorant enough to need a formal lockdown. Turns out they were wrong.

Ulver · 18/04/2020 09:26

“ But The government hoped people wouldn't be selfish and ignorant enough to need a formal lockdown. Turns out they were wrong.”

Wow nice deflection.

So this crisis is all the fault of the U.K. population then.

Ulver · 18/04/2020 09:27

I suppose we should be marshalling our neighbours and running round with pitchforks then as it’s not the govts job to manage a pandemic apparently.