Why is everyone so eager to get vaccinated?

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What I mean by this is that a SAFE vaccine for coronavirus wouldn't be available for at least a couple of years. Vaccines need to be thoroughly tested and, although a lot of Mumsnetters don't like to believe it, vaccine injury IS REAL.

It's very sinister how very interested Bill Gates has become in the pharma industry in the last few years and how he advocates forced vaccines, or at least loss of freedom of movement/access for those who choose not to vaccinate (which is pretty much a forced vaccine). He doesn't care about vaccine injury as we are basically collateral damage to his end goal.

Is it not fair to be wary of a rushed vaccine? Is it not fair to not want to be vaccinated if I'm not fully ware of the implications just yet? When I come on here, I see a lot of people who are very happy that we have to stay inside (I understand the reason for this), I see people who are quarantining food and washing eggs and would take a vaccine if one was available tomorrow. I find it quite alarming how we've been fed stories about death after death after death, really biased stuff with hardly any balanced information. We've been frightened into being heavily controlled and that's the thing that really scares me.

All health interventions carry a risk. E.g. if you're found to have an abdominal aneurysm through screening, the surgery carries a risk of death. The risk of surgery is much much lower than the risk of not having surgery but some people will die because of the surgery who would not have died without it.

The risks of a vaccine versus the diseases they control are very low but again mostly you're taking that risk for someone else. If you choose not to vaccinate your child against measles, you contribute to measles coming back and you put someone else's severely immunocompromised child at significant risk, for a minimal risk to your child. Absolutely, it's your choice to protect your child but I think society can choose to protect the immunocompromised child by not allowing your child in to school. That's not forcing you to vaccinate, that's giving you a choice which is much more palatable than the choice you want to give parents of vulnerable children (isolate forever or die).

I'll decide about the vaccine for covid when I know more but presumably a certain proportion of people need to take it to allow life to resume so it might be a necessary risk.

Great, more tin foil hat weirdos.

So many are telling OP to fuck off etc just for daring to raise a different point of view... wow. If anyone is indeed trying to squash different way of thinking and eradicate tolerance then they’re succeeding right now.

If OP had put a cogent case for vaccine caution maybe there wouldn't be so many biscuits and fuck offs - but then there was the bit where Bill Gates is actually Dr Evil.....

The people at highest risk are desperate for a vaccine. Otherwise, they're trapped indoors being shielded for the next year or two! What kind of life is that??

There are people, such as my OH with terminal cancer, who would rather have a vaccine a risk longer term issues simply because he knows he's not going to live more than 10 years more anyway, so a couple of "good" years now of freedom to move around after being vaccinated is far better than 2 years of lockdown and then being too ill due to cancer to do anything anyway. He's already been treated with thalidimide which is now a recognised cancer treatment despite the well known side effects as the short term benefit is regarded as worth the potential longer term harm, simply due to quality of life in the short term versus him probably being dead by the time longer term effects kick in!

But for low risk people, yes, I agree a vaccine that isn't properly long term tested is probably not a good thing to risk.

Vaccines aren't knocked up one afternoon in a garden shed, there is a rigorous process they MUST go through before being approved for widespread use.

Of course there are always risks with them, just as with any medical intervention but, especially in a time like now and especially for those people living in intensively populated (and often poorer) areas, they will be the difference between a future or not.

As for Bill Gates, please familiarise yourself with what the foundation his wife runs actually does before making sweeping and inaccurate statements.

'Vaccine injury' LOL

Surely there's some sort of anti vaxx site you could post this nonsense on?

OP do you really think Bill Gates is some kind of evil Bond villain? Really?

Does he have a white cat that he likes to stroke menacingly?

I'm not convinced there will ever be a vaccine.
The common cold is a coronavirus after all and I don't see any vaccines for that. The flu one is notoriously unreliable also.
Couple that with reports of reinfection from China, and I think we may just have to learn to live (or die...,) with this thing doing the rounds.
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You might have had fewer biscuits if you hadn't included the crap about Bull Gates in your op.

Absolutely, we shouldn't rush through administering vaccines that haven't been fully tested.

But Bill and Melinda Gates are genuine philanthropists who want to fight poverty and disease. Their Foundation has done a huge amount of good.

You dont have to be an anti vaxxer to be concerned about a vaccine that's had next to no testing.

A vaccine will not be rolled out until it has been fully tested.

Next please.

dont have it then im not waiting 5-10 years to see what happens co9uld be dead by then

@Colouringinbook good point!! Had forgotten about the Vista horror show. Love Bill Gates though, I never get all the flak he gets for giving his money away, while nasty Jobs is feted for doing FA for anyone.

Bill Gates is interested in lots of areas of pharma/biotech, not just vaccination.
He has just sponsored a funding round for a small neurosciences company, among other things.
(not really the point, but just saying that he's generally invested in healthcare)

I find it quite alarming how we've been fed stories about death after death after death, really biased stuff with hardly any balanced information.

What is the balanced information you think has been missing from the news OP ? Is there something you think should be mentioned that hasn't been ?

Ah I see.

So your premise is that Bill Gates one of the richest men in the world, who has donated billions to charity just wants to be richer?

And to achieve that aim he is going to force us all to take a “dangerous” vaccine.

Makes perfect sense

Do you need some sandwiches for that picnic?

I find it quite alarming how we've been fed stories about death after death after death, really biased stuff with hardly any balanced information

What do you mean by that? People are dying.

All i can say, is

How's the new vaccine going to affect unborn babies? Hope it's safe during pregnancy. (Praying!)

Well the antivaxxers can sit at home and isolate forever if they want
I doubt it
As per usual they will be quite happy to take advantage of the herd immunity created by vaccinating

Quite. This situation shows us what the world was like before vaccinations - when we all lived with many terrible diseases we could do nothing against. We've forgotten what that was like, thanks to vaccines. Now we are remembering. Anti-vaxxers are some of the most dangerous nutters out there. Personally I hope one outcome of this is that people do become required to vaccinate if they want to join the rest of us in society.