Why is everyone so eager to get vaccinated?

[FTMF30]

What I mean by this is that a SAFE vaccine for coronavirus wouldn't be available for at least a couple of years. Vaccines need to be thoroughly tested and, although a lot of Mumsnetters don't like to believe it, vaccine injury IS REAL.

It's very sinister how very interested Bill Gates has become in the pharma industry in the last few years and how he advocates forced vaccines, or at least loss of freedom of movement/access for those who choose not to vaccinate (which is pretty much a forced vaccine). He doesn't care about vaccine injury as we are basically collateral damage to his end goal.

Is it not fair to be wary of a rushed vaccine? Is it not fair to not want to be vaccinated if I'm not fully ware of the implications just yet? When I come on here, I see a lot of people who are very happy that we have to stay inside (I understand the reason for this), I see people who are quarantining food and washing eggs and would take a vaccine if one was available tomorrow. I find it quite alarming how we've been fed stories about death after death after death, really biased stuff with hardly any balanced information. We've been frightened into being heavily controlled and that's the thing that really scares me.

I'm not convinced there will ever be a vaccine.
The common cold is a coronavirus after all and I don't see any vaccines for that. The flu one is notoriously unreliable also.

Some common colds are coronaviruses, some are rhinoviruses and there are plenty of other viruses that give similar symptoms.

Similar influenza is lots of different strains of viruses that have different coat proteins.

Covid-19 is a single virus and it won't be difficult to raise a vaccine to it.

Anti vaxxer i bet
Want some smallpox with that picnic?
If it wasn't for vaccines we would have been wiped out by a lot of things including smallpox

Are you the reason I couldn't get any tin foil with my shop this week???

My wee elderly mum and mother in law are both shielding, they have lived through difficult childhoods losing their mothers at an early age, WW2 , rationing. They never complain about anything!, when I tell them about the progress of the vaccine it lifts their spirits They way they see it it means they will go back to allowing them them some joy in their lives, trips out and seeing family again. Thinking of a vaccine gives us all hope

On a different point I have seen the effects of non vaccinated children when I nursed a child with whooping cough many years ago but I will never forget it.

The last thing we need right now is fucking idiots being allowed to spout their anti-vax shite on this forum. I hope decisive action is taken against you.

I find it quite alarming how we've been fed stories about death after death after death, really biased stuff with hardly any balanced information

You mean as opposed to the other stories about Covid 19 improving people's health and leaving them perky and glowing while they skip through a field of daisies that the media are hiding from us because Bill Gates needs more billions?

I was with you until you mentioned Bill Gates.
I'm very wary of a rushed through vaccine.

There are kids who are relying on this vaccine too.
Should my 5 year old just stay in the house for the foreseeable?
As a pp said, everything medical comes with some sort of risk and sometimes you have no choice but to take it.
My son only had a 5% chance of survival during his liver transplant but we had no choice but to go ahead. It would be beyond cruel for me to not allow him the vaccine and either let him take his chances outside, or keep him in the house like a prisoner.

Oh op I completely agree with you. Thank you (sincere)

You can put your tin foil hat away now.

FTMF30 Oh wait! I know this one... Yes it's because WE are not insane.

We make new vaccines all the time. This is something we get better at all the time. You're lying about it taking years either for attention or out of ignorance.

I am so naive. I thought that this situation might show anti vaxxers the reality of unchecked infectious disease on a global scale and why vaccines are so important.

So @FTMF30 going by your logic as 1 in every 1000 people are allergic to penicillin and it's derivatives we should ban it then yes?
Sod the 999 people whose lives are saved by them because of that 1 death we should instead let the whole 1000 die.
This is your argument only replacing the 1 in 1000 for 1 in 100000 which is the real figure for vaccine damage, can you truly not understand how ridiculous your argument is?

We don't want us or our families to die, and any attempt at a vaccine will be better than nothing if they bring it out- they won't roll something out without some evidence.

Vaccine injury is vanishingly rare, and vaccines save many lives and save people from injury. For instance, polio is a crippling disease. We barely have it now because of vaccines.

The stuff about Bill Gates is an antisemitic conspiracy theory.

You're lying about it taking years

Google it - I believe the quickest vaccine we've ever made was 4 years, so I'm very dubious about 12-18 months. You can't test for any long-term effects in a trial that long.

I think there will be a lot of political pressure to fast track a vaccine if it is ever found. There has already been discussion about standard testing strategies being changed.

I don’t think you need to be a conspiracy theorist to be concerned that the current climate will lead to huge pressure to get a vaccine out and this could increase the risks of the vaccine. (As a doctor upthread has already said, it’s happened before)

I think Bill Gates does amazing work and he is probably extremely knowledgeable about diseases but I sometimes wonder why it is famous figureheads who are often asked questions rather than the scientists whose work underpins their efforts.

For anti vaxxers there is never a safe vaccine, though, is there? Even when there's plenty of evidence that risks are tiny and definitely worth it?

I think you should be free to refuse a vaccine so long as you're happy to either live on an enclosure with other vaccine refusers, or to stay indoors indefinitely.

Anything else is just risking the health of those who cannot have a vaccine.

But hey, maybe a vaccine is impossible/unattainable as it is for the common cold - maybe you'd prefer that?

It won't take 5-10 years because this is not an entirely new disease. It's a strain of corona virus. Every single year new strains of flu (a very similar virus) are sequenced and added to the flu jab. Essentially what will happen with COVID-19 is a sped up version of this tried and tested process.

And I used to work in clinical trials - from lab to market it's usually 12-15 years, because that's long it takes to check the safety and efficacy rigorously. It takes this long because in the past, horrendous mistakes were made from not testing properly. I'd be very concerned if it was a "rush job" that skipped stages of testing because of pressure from governments. My demographic has a very low chance of death from CV so unless the vaccine was properly tested like any other vaccine, I would take my chances.

Ha Ha Ha

Op, you are very, very stupid. Hth.

What I find really scary is the way any discussion of this issue is closed down with all your stupid biscuit biscuit biscuits and insults. It's almost like no-one is confident enough of their own pov to discuss it in a civil and rational way

No, not strange at all. It's just, and I've learnt this the hard way, there's literally no discussion with tin foil hatters/conspiracy theorists.
It doesn't matter what you say, they're too far gone to see reason.
The more reason you inject, the more the batty comes out and posts sounds more and more insane for want of a better word. The more they entrench in their conspiracy mind. After all, you would say that, as you're a sheep or whatever.
They're closed off, it's fascinating. But also kind of scary,
So people know there's no point and just lob biscuits instead lol

Reported. This kind of uninformed (and frankly, idiotic) attitude towards science and healthcare is dangerous. It should not be spread amongst people who are already scared for the safety of their families.

Any vaccine, should it come, will be for the elderly, vulnerable and healthcare workers - the vast majority won't be offered it, just as with Flu vaccines, if you want one, you'll have to pay.

I won't have one, don't class myself as at risk.