Worried About Coronavirus- thread 37

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That's another interesting article RedToothBrush Might explain why the anti HIV drugs are having some success (so far in trials).

I see what you mean about the guardian article (about modern day slums). That's one reason why we need continued lockdown, to prevent it spreading to provincial areas. Having said that, it seems from that article rural areas are less likely to catch it because of better living conditions. Or at least more spaced out. One family featured in the article were living 7 to a room (2 adults, 5 children), sharing the bathroom with several strangers. Very difficult for them to follow recommended social distancing and protective hygiene in that set-up. I think that's less common in rural areas?

The link to poverty and poor health might explain the high death rate in London. There's an age UK link on another thread. London has more elderly than anywhere else, and they have a higher rate of poverty than elsewhere.

I agree with people about the media. I'm worried about the apparent downplaying, othering of the vulnerable (millions in this group), and articles pushing for an early end too lockdown.

How Greece is beating the Coronavirus despite a decade of debt. Interesting article from the Guardian.

Number of cases and deaths
As of 9am on 14 April, 382,650 tests have concluded, with 14,982 tests carried out on 13 April.

302,599 people have been tested, of whom 93,873 tested positive.

As of 5pm on 13 April, of those hospitalised in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus, 12,107 have died.

Tests People tested Positive Deaths
Daily 14,982 11,879 5,252 778
Total 382,650 302,599 93,873 12,107

Still under 15,000 tests and less than 12,000 people tested. How are we going to be anywhere near 100,000 tests in a day?

Positive Deaths
Daily 778
Total 12,107

sorry original post was muddled

No Cabinet meeting today

Fucking state of it.

alloutoffucks

Any response to the direct quote from Angela Merkel that she expects 60-70% of Germans to catch the virus?

No, I didn’t think so - those don’t fit your fantasy, so you just ignore them.

RedToothBrush

I can. I just choose not to, because you have a habit of dismissing what I say anyway and I can't be arsed wasting my time.

A pathetic excuse. Are you really incapable of forming a rational argument?

alloutoffucks

And we have to ignore why the UK has much more deaths than other European countries?

That’s a complete lie. As of today, Spain, Belgium, Italy, and France have higher death rates than we do, with the Netherlands and Switzerland just behind.

If you deny those facts, then you’re simply living in a fantasy world, completed self-isolated from reality.

I think we've all seen that Red is more than capable of forming a rational argument. However, she's free to choose not to do so.

I see a GF is a GF no matter what the thread/subject

However, she's free to choose not to do so.

Of course she is - and I’m equally free to conclude that she’s an empty vessel if she can’t counter the most basic facts contradicting her theories.

I am still really struggling after finding out about all of the deaths of the residents at the care home I worked at. My mind is struggling to process it all. Think I may have relapsed into depression.

I'm also terrified that my bmi of 37 is going to send me to an early grave if I get this. I've lost 2 stone since Christmas but it feels like it will be too little, too late. I am only 32 and my youngest is 4

All I do at the moment is cry. Feel like I'm just waiting to die.

Im beginning to really worry about my mother in law who moved into a care home last week.
I lied to the kids that the staff all live onsite, but I dont know if that is true or not.
Im also so worried about how we come out the other side. My daughter is in the shielding group and she is being amazing, given she is only 19. But if it goes on and on and on, I dont know what she will do. Especially if schools and colleges start up. She has already missed so much school due to being in hospital in the past, and fatigue/anxiety after nearly dying twice. She has a place to start a course she really wants to do in Sept and I suspect she will insist on going.

Cendrillon- actually, as of today, the UK's death rates (your word) puts it just into third place. Now overtaken by Belgium, but only by .10 of a percentage. Up to yesterday it was second highest behind Italy.

Unless you're talking about total deaths which you can't be, because population variables etc would make that a silly thing to be doing of course.

Beebityboo

Two stone off is amazing and you’re young so you’d have a very good chance even if you get it. Keep doing what you’re doing on the weight side, isolate yourself as much as you can, and you should get through this thing just fine.

actually, as of today, the UK's death rates (your word) puts it just into third place. Now overtaken by Belgium, but only by .10 of a percentage. Up to yesterday it was second highest behind Italy.

I’m talking deaths per million. As of today:

Spain: 386
Belgium: 363
Italy: 338
France: 223
UK: 182
Netherlands: 170

I’m afraid we’re distinctly average in Europe, which is not good but still far from the worst. We are currently better than most of our large European neighbours.

There we go.

Beebity it is awful. And what makes it more so, especially today I've noticed all over MN, the borisbots who se to think it's OK that it's happening.

Nettle for you too. My mum's carehome isn't affected yet. But that's the big word isn't it.

I do wish you'd get off this thread CF. Delurked to point out that Germany is not alone in assuming 70% or so of the population will eventually catch the virus. That is a reasonable expectation and I don't understand the point you think you're making - it's no 'gotcha moment'. Clue - they are making a very good stab at suppressing (and therefore extending) the peak, thus enabling their health service to keep up. Is that too hard to understand?

Why have you come on this valuable thread firing off insults? Please desist.

I'll go back to lurking.

Thanks all.

I see. Mortality rate of those infected is the one I look at more often.

It's a bit disingenuous to take deaths per million until the epidemic is over, as other countries are further along the trajectory than the UK so whilst now having fewer daily deaths reported, are still going to have a higher total.

Cendrillion Frances figures includes care homes which bumps up the figure by 40 percent. Like for like figures are much lower for france.

Yesterdays figures are less than 10,000 for France for hospitals.

www.santepubliquefrance.fr/maladies-et-traumatismes/maladies-et-infections-respiratoires/infection-a-coronavirus/articles/infection-au-nouveau-coronavirus-sars-cov-2-covid-19-france-et-monde

Yes agree with. Canterbury. italy, spain and france are furthur along and are going down,

Meanwhile, Greece has a death rate of 10 per million. 101 confirmed deaths, country of 10 million people.

Another article on Greece, this time from the Independent

Comments are interesting, especially about construction work.

I feel terrible for complaining and for being so grief stricken. They weren't family and at the time this kicked off I was looking to start a new job in a less physically demanding role. But I can't get my mind around it.

I was relatively new to care work, these were people with advanced dementia. I spent my working days feeding, bathing and looking after them and learning everything about their lives. I cared about them all so much. One lady in particular I will miss forever. She was tiny but so fierce and so funny and reminded me of my Grandma who I lost when I was 12. She would have lived a while longer, I think.

Eight lives just done and three more soon to die too. It isn't supposed to happen this way and they must have been so confused . I feel like if I think about it too long I'll start screaming. The families must be completely bereft. I just don't know what to do with all this sadness.