Worried About Coronavirus- thread 37

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@IwantKoalas I'm sorry too if I upset you by being so blunt, please try and think of how your posts will be perceived by people with circumstances different to your own. We are all under pressure, anxious and facing an uncertain future. My post came from a place of concern for a family member who despite having MS is continuing to go to work on the frontline of fighting Covid-19 with scant regard for her own safety.

Good to see you @ofwarren. I was thinking about you yesterday and then spotted you on a thread. Hope you continue to feel better.

Utterly could that have been hand foot and mouth?

Yes im also very concerned about long term effects for children and adults.
That one about the heart in 1/3 in hospital being damaged.
Ive said before but my dd2 got ill in nov with vomiting then again a few weeks later then fever and lethargy then vomiting again two times then finally after feb half term fever then cough. So yes I definitely think some illnesses do come back/affect immune system as she has never been so ill before and shes almost 5. This cough has lasted about 5w now.
Sars left lung damage.

Glad to see you about again, @ofwarren.

Today's UK deaths: 717.
Total deaths: 11,329.

@RedToothBrush. We're also watching the care home news with trepidation. I saw this today and cried



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That's okay ChatlieTangoBravo I can see why that upset you. I think I'm getting too annoyed at the general public around me all socialising and spreading like it's nothing since the start really. I so respect health are workers and wish I could help but have an asthmatic dc at home, I am lucky just being a student atm and could walk out easy. I never used mumsnet before this but was just so scared and needed to talk to someone, I'm surprised the amount of health care professionals scientists and just info faster and better than the press here but have spent too much time not helping the anxiety

I know this has been spoken about before but I can't remember, sorry. When is our peak supposed to be?

"Half of coronavirus deaths happen in care homes, data from EU suggests

About half of all Covid-19 deaths appear to be happening in care homes in some European countries, according to early figures gathered by UK-based academics who are warning that the same effort must be put into fighting the virus in care homes as in the NHS.

Snapshot data from varying official sources shows that in Italy, Spain, France, Ireland and Belgium between 42% and 57% of deaths from the virus have been happening in homes, according to the report by academics based at the London School of Economics (LSE)."

Full article:
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/13/half-of-coronavirus-deaths-happen-in-care-homes-data-from-eu-suggests?

From a thread from an ICU doctor in New York:

"most patients make some improvements initially (days 4-6), but decompensate with a 2nd cytokine storm (as many have described). It is this 2nd decompensation that is deadly and that we need to prevent."

"Every single ICU patient (barring QTc issues) got hydroxychloroquine and it doesn’t seem to have helped. Maybe it helps for prophylaxis or in mild disease, but doesn’t appear to do anything once in ICU. It is NOT a pancea and should not be given indiscriminately. "

Full thread:
mobile.twitter.com/sanjum/status/1249374580831064072

Glad people (media) now seem to be waking up to the care home issue. Fucking livid it's taken this long.
I've got enough masks to last me til tomorrow lunch time at mine. Sincerely hoping the local authority find some more from somewhere tomorrow or else my staff will refuse to work I think-and I wouldn't blame them.
One of my residents is very ill now. We are trying to nurse her as best we can but it's bloody tough going. The staff are still tired and they're scared.
I'm having a very low day today (probably because I'm also bloody tired) and I'm running out of ways to pep them up.
Tomorrow I've got to try and source some more PPE, and go and do a big shop for the home-neither of which is a piece of Piss at the moment. Bit fed up tbh.

Link to the LSE care home study referred to in the article above:
ltccovid.org/2020/04/12/mortality-associated-with-covid-19-outbreaks-in-care-homes-early-international-evidence/amp/?

@MurrayTheMonk
Re your food supplies, heard James Martin saying to try suppliers who supply to restaurants and hotels. They are all closed and suppliers have a supply chain. Could you contact your local hoteliers & restaurants on FB and ask them?
They may give you who the use for suppliers.

Your doing so much for your residents I wish you and your residents all the very best.

Mittens Red re: immune system, that sounds a bit like what happened to me - was feeling somewhat better after 14 days then got a tooth infection and what looks like bacterial pneumonia - on antibiotics and improving now (but needed a second course to kick it entirely) - this despite taking vitamin D and C plus a multivitamin regularly. Hope you're feeling much better very soon.

My fingers crossed for you Murray - it's so awful what you're up against.

Murray
There was an article on R4 about a care home that was helped with food, bedding and some masks by a charity His Church. I am wondering if they would be able to help you also.

Buttermilk that makes sense. I've read the anti-malarials need to be given in the early stages. By the time the patient needs hospital care it's s less successful treatment. I suspect Boris was given remdesivir.

Seriously, why do people want to escape from the south of England? It’s not like it’s a war zone. A couple have just arrived at a holiday cottage in my village in Tyne and Wear. They’re escapees from the south who are related to the owner. Selfish twats.

@petiolaris it may be worth ringing the police on this one. I have heard this done in other areas. The police apparently go and make them leave immediately back to where they have come from.. Its just not on

If it's not somewhere they need to "escape" from, why does it matter if they leave? Do you mean they should stay where they are to avoid the risk of spreading the dangers elsewhere?

The police are encouraging further non essential travel? That's shocking.

@moimichme

Oh dear, that sounds nasty. I had pneumonia last year following on from catching a nasty episode of flu, and I needed 2 courses of antibiotics, the second time I needed 2 different ones. (It could have been worse, they nearly hospitalised me before deciding after seeing the X-ray that it wasn't necessary.)

To encourage you, I did get better, though I was weakened for some time. The tooth infection sounds nasty, though. I hope it all clears up soon.

I seem to be recovering now, my temperature went up slightly earlier today but it's come down and stayed down. Hopefully that's it now, after 5 weeks.

I find it irritating people are nearly excusing the death rate based on underlying health. I think it is very unfair lots of the residents in nursing homes are happy, imaginative, there for company. There has been young people but it doesn't seem to be enough young people dying yet for people to realise to make some noise.

Old people are seen as expendable

Brilliant coverage on the care home issue on Channel 4 news tonight.

www.portsmouth.co.uk/health/coronavirus/portsmouth-familys-heartache-pompey-loving-dad-dies-while-recovering-covid-19-2537471?fbclid=IwAR3iGFoXgdwIronmGTLdybPPvfYRxIl_DJfvZAoN_wzsWCNUgqDTpo0N5UA

@EmeraldShamrock

I really agree with you. There seems to be an attitude that elderly people with underlying health problems will die soon anyway so it isn't so important to protect them.

But who can ever know they won't have many years ahead of them if they don't contract COVID-19? My DH's DGF gad bad asthma and emphysema and wasn't expected to live to adulthood when he was a young child. Yet he lived until the age of 91 before dying in 2005.