Worried About Coronavirus- thread 37

[TheStarryNight]

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Oops, I meant to write 'had' rather than 'gad'.

We need to end lockdown now and stop the NHS cancelling treatment for non covid Patients. Vulnerable people should continue to isolate.

www.pulsetoday.co.uk/views/blogs/who-has-the-right-to-decide-who-lives-or-dies/20040524.article

We need to end lockdown now and stop the NHS cancelling treatment for non covid Patients. Vulnerable people should continue to isolate.

@MH1111
Ending the lockdown now will make the NHS less able to treat non-Covid patients, not more! Cases will shoot up again and the NHS will be swamped. Protecting the vulnerable in care homes will become impossible, and non-Covid patients will run the gauntlet of Covid infested hospitals (they can try to isolate areas but with Covid running amok amongst the general population keeping them free would become impossible.

@derbygerbil

Why are covid patients more of a priority than cancer patients or those affected by poverty?

Many More people will die indirectly due to the actions taken to control covid than those that die as a direct result of covid

@MH1111

They shouldn’t be... but if Covid isn’t contained then far more people are likely to die as a result, and the NHS will be less able to treat non-Covid patients than it already is.

The lockdown is there to support the NHS and ensure it’s not completely overwhelmed, and even then it’s not in a position to provide the levels of care it did pre-Covid! Ending the lockdown now would have the precisely the opposite effect of the one you want, as there will be even fewer resources to manage non-Covid patients! Your statement makes as much sense as: “Eat more cake so you can lose weight!”

It's not a competition to see whose life deserves to be saved.

Or, it shouldn't be.

The cancer patient shouldn't miss out on life saving treatment because the Covid patient has been given priority. Nor should the opposite be the case.

The 80 year old Covid patient shouldn't be left to die because they're 80. The carehome scandal will be studied in history books as government sanctioned Darwinism.

There's lots of shit happening that shouldn't be

Ending lockdown now, when the country hasn't even peaked yet is going to help how exactly?

@derbygerbil

You have no evidence that far more people will die directly of covid than indirectly as a result of other conditions not treated and ensuing poverty as a result of the the economic effects of the lockdown....
The governments own estimates were that 150,000 could die from the economic consequences....
As per the article who decides your cancer op is cancelled because of the needs of a covid patient?

What a strange blog post.

What on earth does she mean when she says the parents of a dead child "aren't coping with this any better than I am"

@MH1111

The Imperial College research that is believed to be behind the lockdown indicates 260,000 Covid related deaths... As for “who decides”... I don’t know - it’s an awful conundrum that presumably requires a complex risk assessment - but it seems you’ve decided the cancer patient is more worthy than the covid one.

Reading about Dr Renee I'm surprised she has time to blog among all her other media and private GP/cosmetic surgery work.

She sounds like just the sort of "expert" the govt might like to put behind a microphone. Watch this space.

@MH1111

Also, if the NHS were overwhelmed with a massive surge of Covid patients following an immediate end to lock down, how many people without Covid would die as a consequence? I’m thinking many more than if the NHS wasn’t dealing with an unmanageable surge.

@MH1111 If the UK lifts the lockdown as you're suggesting and allows coronavirus to spread uncontrolled you do realise there is no vaccine and so pretty quickly large numbers of medical staff, emergency services, key workers, army, etc will be one incapacitated. Can you not visualise the chaos we would be in? No one wants to sacrifice cancer patients and I don't believe the government would be effectively bankrupting the country if there was an alternative.

MH111 your suggestion of no lock down makes the situation worse and what you want to happen more unlikely. The NHS would be overwhelmed to breaking point.

@MH1111

You do realise that I the scenario you describe, a greater number of COVID-19 patients souls need to be hospitalised and as a result the cancer patients who could have their op could end up being infected by COVID-19 and dying! How is that a good thing for them?

Urgent operations for cancer are happening, it's the more routine treatments that are being delayed. That will be frustrating for them, but I'm sure they would rather wait than end up developing COVID-19 in hospital and dying.

Care Homes front page lead in the Daily Mail tomorrow.

Good. even if it is the mail.

It's even better that it's the mail. Isn't it the mostly widely read (together with the sun) paper in the UK.

It looks like Italy Spain Ireland and the UK have taking this approach to the elderly and vulnerable. It really is a case of survival of the fittest.

Does anyone else have times when it all seem unreal, must be a nightmare, then it crashes in on you yet again?
Or is it just me?

No not just you. I wake in the morning for a moment all is calm then the reality hits me.
It is very weird time.

It’s really odd. Feels weird. It helps to chat with others re how weird it is. But waking up is always when it comes back again.

@MurrayTheMonk re masks, would fabric masks be any use? Lots of people are sewing masks at home for those in need. I called my local care home, and made them 3 dozen. They're not medical grade of course but better than nothing and can have disposable filters added. See Mask Makers UK on FB, you only have to ask.

This thread (and the data/graphs one) has been a real sanity space.

Thank you all

What I'm struggling with is thinking into the future. All our plans have been turned upside down. I'm coping ok in the here and now as lots of practical stuff to get on with. It's thinking ahead that is doing my head in as I hate not being in control.

I've got a local Fb group sewing me some over the weekend and dropping them off tomorrow. My boss has forbidden us to use them as they aren't certified as safe but at this point we'll take what we can get I think.