Worried About Coronavirus- thread 37

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today I got sent a well meaning article from a naturopathic journal about how herbs can heal covid-19.
with references to chinese herbal medicine as well.

@IwantKoalas some of your posts are very bizarre, it feels as if you get a kick out of causing upset on this thread.
Why not take the advice given by Thumper the rabbits mummy in the film Bambi "if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all".
Telling people that all they need is ambition and a spine, especially if they are a key worker is definitely not nice, not kind, not compassionate and shows a huge chasm in your understanding of the real world.

Agreed. I'd like your job though Koala where you get to call the shots. It must be very vital.

Likewise, it may turn out that many of the recorded deaths did not come “from” coronavirus but “with” the virus, which could slash the death rates. The latest report from the Intensive Care, National Audit & Research Centre, ICNARC, shows that around 89 per cent of people dying with coronavirus never made it to intensive care. As of April 9, when the most recent figures were compiled, just 871 patients had died in intensive care out of 7,978 deaths. It suggests that the vast majority of people are dying on other wards, perhaps from other conditions.

Has anyone read the telegraph article this morning? Whats your thoughts on this? Im not sure what to make of it

@RedToothBrush Hopefully as she is assisted living rather than a nursing home it skips them.
As mentioned upthread my DM went to A&E Tuesday night with chest pain, she tested positive in the hospital. She is on really strong antibiotics, oxygen, she hasn't developed any Covid symptoms, nor has Dad he is at home.
I'm holding my breath as she has many underlying health issues so far so good.

@EmeraldShamrock keeping everything crossed for your Mum and Dad

I had a social worker harassing me to send mine to school. Can you believe that. They said it was low risk. I forgot social workers were scientists lol

The social worker is because I've moved too much apparently, and should have had more money

I disagree. You can tell your employer whatever you like.

TheCanterburyWhales
Agreed. I'd like your job though Koala where you get to call the shots. It must be very vital.

I suspect something quite different.

Joining the dots, there are lots of posts which are very anxious in nature and I'm not sure Koala copes too well with difficult situations generally so avoids situations. Avoidance type behaviour is indicative of anxiety rather than a lack of compassion. Encouraging others to avoid difficult situations without thought to consequences and reality of that is a way of legitimising and normalising your own avoidance type behaviour. It can also be very confrontational at times, but not necessarily intentionally.

I think koala is struggling rather than trying to deliberately shit stir tbh. Lockdown would make that particularly difficult because it means you can't easily run away or avoid things in the way you might normally.

And yes I speak with a degree of personal experience.

@CharlieTangoBanana Thank you.

Thanks emerald.

I wish the government would level a bit more with the public, particularly those in the shielded group, that 12 weeks of isolation doesn't mean people will be in the clear and safe to go out.

It's nonsense. Especially if they go with the Hawks (and the incompetent hard right wing of the Tory party) plan to reopen in early rather than late May.

Jrobhatch29 I was reading something on twitter the other day that covid-19 not only is nasty in the way we know but it hammers your T cells meaning it wrecks your immunity system more generally. It was difficult to understand and wasn't really put in layman's terms but I think the jist is that it leaves you more vulnerable to other conditions not just covid-19 itself. Thus if you have another condition, covid-19 leaves you in essence immunosuppressed and unable to deal with it in the way you normally would.

So you could die of another illness, but with covid-19 but it might be questionable that you'd have died of the other disease but for the effect of covid-19 both weakening you with its direct symptoms and because of how it nukes your immune system generally.

The whole 'of' v 'with' debate becomes mute if this is what covid-19 is doing, because you can not accurately define the outcome of the situation if covid-19 had not been present.

It was a bit of an eye opener.

I'd also read back in early Feb how in China they'd said that people who had a pre existing ordinary cold but no other known illness had died and that had spooked me as I'd been unable to shift whatever I'd had since November. But it makes more sense if you think about it in terms of covid-19 having a potential immunosuppressive effect.

I've also seen stuff written about how the disease hides itself until established and by the time your immune system 'sees' it goes into overdrive and can cause a cytokine storm as a result of going too far.

I don't think there is really enough research and knowledge on this to say exactly what it's doing at this point. I do think there is a mounting amount which suggests that covid-19 is potentially doing odd things to some peoples immune systems potentially in various different ways and thats having dire outcomes. We don't understand any of this yet.

@RedToothBrush

I think that makes a lot of sense. I'm probably over the COVID-19, but I've had 2 secondary infections and I'm on antibiotics now because I still have a cough and temperature.

I wish the government would level a bit more with the public, particularly those in the shielded group, that 12 weeks of isolation doesn't mean people will be in the clear and safe to go out.

It's nonsense. Especially if they go with the Hawks (and the incompetent hard right wing of the Tory party) plan to reopen in early rather than late May.

I agree. My husband is in this shielded group and the uncertainty of what is going to happen after 12 weeks is terrible. We can arrange a mortgage break but only for 3 months. We need to be given information now for the longer term so we can try and help ourselves to get through it no matter how bleak the prospect.

2 weeks self isolating + 2 weeks lockdown here.... feel like I'm walking around in a daze!

I'm sorry If I offended anyone as that was not my intention. I was a little tense needing a cigarette and irritated

Does anyone know why the Worldometers chart now shows N/A for the UK in the Recovered column?

Hiya. Not been posting. Having a few days off been sorting my house; little miniature toys all over the shop and plastering walls, painting. Also been doing a lot of online meetings as I'm on a program. Hope you're all having a nice Easter.

Does anyone have a clue what the next steps are? I haven't had Covid and I can't see a plan unfolding. Will we still go for herd immunity or wait for a vaccine?
The press even though I've been staying away seems to be focused on Boris and the NHS, PPE and China second wave.
TIA

I imagine because the BBC have apparently reported the negligible figures that were in that section as absolutes (according to another thread) when the fact is the figures aren't being released (or possibly even counted)

@Horehound
If you look at cytokine storm vitamin d and nicotine do reduce the chamces of it.
More people smoke in china 50% of men i think. So maybe they were getting ill but not so many having the intubation as in other areas of the world.

I wonder if there is a dose that would help but not be addictive?

I'll take that as good news, I mostly vape rather than smoke so hopefully I get the protectivity from the nicotine with less of the lung damage. Maybe.

Has any seen @ofwarren on the threads wondering how she is doing?

I'm good @refraction
I was ill for just over 2 weeks and I'm almost fully back to normal now. I'm a bit weak but that's to be expected after any harsh virus.
I'm still keeping my distance from the "triggering" threads but I'm less afraid now I'm feeling better.
Thanks for asking after me 😊

That's good to read @ofwarren

Glad you are on the mend.

No, but there are now reports of investigations being published soon on why people test positive after recovery and negative tests

@ofwarren glad you are on the mend. I miss you on the threads.

One of mum's friends is saying herd immunity and getting schools back ASAP is what we should be doing. That only older people with underlying conditions are dying and that she doesn't believe the news Ive never liked her anyway. She's toxic and brings nothing positive to my mum's life. Mum is too polite to tell her to piss off though even though she said she's lucky to be widowed. Some people need a slap.

That is a widely expressed attitude. There's no concern that those children could end up afflicted with a hidden persistent affliction

RedToothBrush interesting and scary about the effects on the immune system. Ds1 came down with a fever and a cough 3 weeks ago, had a fever of high 38s/39s for 6 days, a horrible persistent painful cough for two weeks. When his fever went down he got a blistery rash all over his body, and as soon as he recovered from that got a sore throat and cold sores type spots in the corners of his mouth and on his cheeks. He’s never had any kind of cold sore before. He usually never gets ill, and certainly not for this long.
As he didn’t have any significant shortness of breath, both gp and nhs weren’t interested (was it DrBlackbird upthread who had a similar experience?)

If his fever and cough had been covid19, and it’s hammered his immune system that could explain why all these strange rashes and cold sores are popping up.