Will we be further locked down before Easter - Yes Or No

[Bearbehind]

No point in putting this in AIBU as it will be moved so unable to use the vote functionality there.

There’s loads of threads about the rights and wrongs of banning exercise or other further restrictions but th3 fact is the government could do it

I think this weekend has shown too many people are unable to do what is asked of them as they all feel their circumstances somehow exempt them and, with a 4 day weekend coming up, it’s going to be too big a risk not to apply further restrictions

So will we be further locked down before Easter - Just Yes or No

If people keep being selfish idiots, yes. So that's almost certainly.

I want to say no.

I live next to the beach and havent seen any problems whatsoever. There was pictures going round on social media last night, claiming to be pictures of the beach that day, showing it packed with people. The pictures were actually from Summer 2017. Plenty of people want to spread fake news.

I can’t really see how they can enforce further lockdown measures when we don’t have enough police to do it. I haven’t seen a single police officer patrolling in the last 2 weeks.

I don’t understand why people think it is a good idea to give up every single civil liberty we have and no one is questioning how many lives this is saving.
To be at a point where you aren’t allowed out even for a walk? This is crazy.
What is the exit strategy from this? Why isn’t it obvious that there isn’t one. At some point we have to take the hit - and I’m someone in one of the highest death rate catergories - or destroy society. That’s how it is as I see it.
Or we wait for a vaccine, by which time the economy is done for and lots of people have died from not being treated for things / have treatment cancelled.

Yes.
But with a lot of senior officers saying that they don't have a fraction of the manpower to enforce a lockdown it will be very interesting.
Also, why is Matt Hancock now the leader of the country? I know that Al like to shirk responsibility, but isn't this his Churchill moment that he has been wanking about since prep school?

I can’t really see how they can enforce further lockdown measures when we don’t have enough police to do it.

Exactly. I think they may well ban exercise, but there just aren't enough police to enforce it properly. Ditto rules about which shops you can use. I think there would be huge difficulties around this as shops vary so much in price and quality from grotty corner shops to the likes of Waitrose. If people are forced to use a shop that they can't afford, I think there could be a huge potential for trouble.

No

I can't see it. I just don't think there are enough resources to police it tbh. It'll lead to social unrest at which is already a difficult time.

Yes, sadly I think we will. I'm at a loss to know why this isn't being more closely policed and enforced, however, as it is in other countries.

Because the Tories have spent the last 10 years cutting police numbers, that's why.

Trying to take my dog for a walk and couldn't safely walk off my drive and stay 2m away from the multiple kids from various houses all biking and scooting around the street, no parents to be seen 😔

I wish the current rules would be enforced more.

Yesterday we went for a walk around local park, saw a group of men (5/6) and a few schoolage children all playing football together. Social distancing wasn't being practised and all of them were handling the ball at one point or another.

This morning DP took DD around the same park and a dad and his two children were inside the play area.

Since lockdown started I've not seen the police in the park - weirdly I saw them a few times in the run up to the schools shutting 🤷‍♀️

Yes.

I think they may well ban exercise, but there just aren't enough police to enforce it properly.

They can’t enforce it now because everyone will just say they are out for exercise

If you ban that there’s far less reasons to be out so it’s far easier to enforce

Plenty of other countries are managing to enforce it

Significant fines would also be a huge deterrent - it might make the selfish fuckers think twice if it’s going to hit them in the pocket

Hancock seems to be backtracking now. he has said:

"It is not just what you are doing but how you are doing it. If you are sitting on a park bench, people tend to accumulate - it is very difficult to prevent that.

"Having rules where we are getting all of the benefits and minimising the risks and harms is an important approach to maintain. We have set those rules, we are enforcing against those rules and we will reiterate those rules, because that is the best way to be able to bend the curve down and stop the spread of the virus."

Yes
And it will be harsher due to covidiots

Bearbehind other countries have far more police per populatoion than us.

swish you don’t need loads of police if the consequences are severe enough

Asked about the possibility of further restrictions on exercise outside the home, Mr Hancock says: "We're not planning any changes to those rules imminently."

"What we are doing is being absolutely clear that the current rules must be followed."

Dr Harries adds that it is important to balance "physical and mental health needs".

"I think one of the issues… is around behaviours, as well. It's not just the 'what are you doing', it’s the 'how do you do it'," she says.

See 16:23

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52171176

A little enforcement goes a long way. A few heavy fines throughout a day or two in each park would hugely help. There's plenty of police where I am, they're all over everywhere. But they seem to just be watching, rather than enforcing.

I'm faintly hopeful that lockdown will be relaxed for some shops (garden centres, boo k and toy shops, charity shops) before the end of May as well

I don't think so. Garden centres/DIY superstores they may come under some pressure to open - 1) in an attempt to keep people occupied at home 2) because the garden/horticulture industry sells short-lived perishables and their industry is ruined if stocks not sold and 3) most stores are large, so social distancing can be enforced.

But charity shops and bookshops I am certain will not reopen any time soon. Lots of 'touched' items. Small shops. etc

I don’t understand why people think it is a good idea to give up every single civil liberty we have and no one is questioning how many lives this is saving.
To be at a point where you aren’t allowed out even for a walk? This is crazy.

I don't necessarily think it is a "good idea" but I think it is the only realistic option. The peak has not hit. You're not seeing the "lives being saved" because the outcome of these restrictions is 3-4 weeks into the future. They're trying to stop the NHS being overwhelmed next week, the week after, the week after that and so on. At the moment you can't see what is coming. It seems silly right now, the empty capacity. But it is going to be needed.

What is the exit strategy from this? Why isn’t it obvious that there isn’t one. At some point we have to take the hit - and I’m someone in one of the highest death rate catergories - or destroy society. That’s how it is as I see it.

We cannot afford to "take the hit" at the peak of the curve. This is to prevent everyone "taking the hit" at once, when no help can realistically be given.

The exit strategy is come out of lockdown slowly and strategically and put us back inside if it outbreaks again. The economy is already fucked. The only upside is that the whole world's economy is fucked, so, you know, it's a level (fucking awful) playing field.

I am worried for a great many personal and not-so-close-to home reasons. I know I am privileged in many ways and poverty is going to hit a lot of society much, much harder.

But what is the other option? We can't reopen all the industries, lift travel bans etc. Or many many more people will die than need to. And that will have an enormous repercussion on society.

Yes

Goodness me swish, have you not realised how this game is being played?

They might not be ‘planning’ any changes, but that certainly doesn’t mean they won’t make any

That way when they do it, they can say it’s because of people’s behaviour rather than being seen to have tried to impose this on everyone immediately

I agree with the predictions Queenie is going to prime people for it tonight and it’ll be announced early next week

No, these are just empty threats.

He said they had no plans to.

No, hopefully not. I fail to see how stopping people exercising would change people having BBQs and friends round to their houses / back gardens anyway. It doesn't make sense