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Daily numbers, graphs, analysis thread 3

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Barracker · 03/04/2020 18:10

Welcome to thread 3 of the daily updates.

Resource links:
Worldometer UK page
Financial Times Daily updates and graphs
HSJ Coronavirus updates
Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Centre
NHS England stats, including breakdown by Hospital Trust
Covidly.com to filter graphs using selected data filters
ONS statistics for CV related deaths outside hospitals, released weekly each Tuesday

Thank you to all contributors for their factual, data driven, and civil discussions. Flowers

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pocketem · 06/04/2020 18:59

There is much discussion among clinicians, epidemiologists, and public health experts about why case fatality rate from COVID-19 in Italy (at 12.1% as of April 2, 2020, versus a global case fatality rate of 5.2%) is considerably higher than estimates from other countries (especially China, South Korea, and Germany).
In this article, we propose several potential explanations for these differences. We suggest that Italy’s overall and relative case fatality rate, as reported by public health authorities, is likely to be inflated by such factors as heterogeneous reporting of coronavirus-related fatalities across countries and the iceberg effect of under-testing, yielding a distorted view of the global severity of the COVID-19 pandemic.
We also acknowledge that deaths from COVID-19 in Italy are still likely to be higher than in other equally affected nations due to its unique demographic and socio-economic profile. Lastly, we discuss the important role of the stress imparted by the epidemic on the Italian healthcare system, which weakened its capacity to adequately respond to the sudden influx of COVID-19 patients in the most affected areas of the country, especially in the Lombardy region.

www.preprints.org/manuscript/202004.0065/v1/download

Daily numbers, graphs, analysis thread 3
AyeRobot · 06/04/2020 19:19

I don't understand why there's such a focus on cases (and their increase or decrease) when there are clearly masses of cases out in the community that aren't recorded anywhere. I know of 5 cases in 2 very small circles (and there maybe more if you widen that out to people I don't know) where there has been no contact with the medical world, but all had previous recent contact with people now in ICU who have been tested positive (or people who have got sick after the contact with the contacts).

Is it just that the PTB are focused on hospitalised confirmed cases because that informs the health service capacity and therefore the length of lockdown? Writing that, I think I may have answered my own question Grin

Sexnotgender · 06/04/2020 20:19

Boris in ICU🙁

ChicChicChicChiclana · 06/04/2020 20:25

I have to say I would be happy with a softening of the lockdown if it banned large public gatherings, closure of restaurants and entertainment venues, (with Government support remaining for people employed in those industries), travel and tourism even within the UK, social distancing in shops and supermarkets upheld, mandatory wearing of face masks and gloves in public.

All of those things I would find acceptable if it were possible to buy gloves and facemasks easily and cheaply.

I'm honestly not sure what can be done about public transport in large cities though? How are people ever going to get back to work?

DuLANGDuLANGDuLANG · 06/04/2020 20:29

O crikey.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/04/2020 20:33

RKI (German public health authority) and politicians has been talking about making facemasks compulsory after relaxation of lockdown

  • and one area of the country has decided to do this already, during lockdown

However, I haven't seen gloves or facemasks in the shops since at least February
I presume they were kept for those who most needed them

However, the logistics of providing at least 1 fresh mask per day per person .....

Or do they mean we make our own, or use substitutes ?
I usually wear a bike mask when I go for my walk, but I could only find scary ones with skulls on Amazon

larrygrylls · 06/04/2020 20:34

Aye,

I think the amount of admitted cases as a proportion of total cases is likely to remain constant, so it informs us of the trend.

Whether there are 5 or 10 cases in the community for every one in hospital, a dip in hospital admissions does mean that total cases are also highly liking to be dipping (and vice versa).

BigChocFrenzy · 06/04/2020 20:35

Frau Merkel has said again that lockdown won't be lifted here soon

She and her ministers have repeatedly said it will last until at least 19 April

  • and probably longer
NemophilistRebel · 06/04/2020 20:41

Does that mean it’s likely he’s on a ventilator now or do they do other care in ICU? Sad

DuLANGDuLANGDuLANG · 06/04/2020 20:44

Tony Lloyd, MP for Rochdale, previously G MCR police commissioner, MP for Manchester Central and MP for Stretford (boundary changes!) has been admitted to Manchester Royal Infirmary with COVID19:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-52186779

DuLANGDuLANGDuLANG · 06/04/2020 20:47

Does that mean it’s likely he’s on a ventilator now or do they do other care in ICU?

ICU isn’t just ventilators but it does mean he needs a lot of nursing attention and is either receiving some kind of mechanical breathing or organ support or is expected to need it in the coming hours.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/04/2020 20:49

Oh shit, just read about Boris

larrygrylls · 06/04/2020 20:49

Apparently they have said that he is currently conscious, so not ventilated yet (assuming you believe them).

BigChocFrenzy · 06/04/2020 20:52

BBC-Coronavirus: Inside an ICU fighting Covid-19
(video)

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/health-52190961/coronavirus-inside-an-icu-fighting-covid-19

DuLANGDuLANGDuLANG · 06/04/2020 20:53

I wasn’t convinced by ‘hospitalised for tests’ in the current environment.

Thoughts with His family, esp Carrie Symonds. I’m no fan of the conservatives but I feel for any pregnant woman whose partner has been hospitalised with this virus, especially when she has symptoms too. What a shitty situation.

Horehound · 06/04/2020 20:54

What are the stats of surviving through icu.?

NemophilistRebel · 06/04/2020 20:56

I have no idea on the stats but the media would lead you to believe that they aren’t good stats

Really feel for Carrie right now Flowers

Verily1 · 06/04/2020 20:57

Checking in

Sexnotgender · 06/04/2020 20:57

What are the stats of surviving through icu.
50/50 I think 🙁

NemophilistRebel · 06/04/2020 20:58

50/50 is terrible

NemophilistRebel · 06/04/2020 20:59

He won’t even be able to have Carrie visit

IrenetheQuaint · 06/04/2020 20:59

I thought it was 50/50 for those on ventilators, which I don't think Boris is (yet...)

DuLANGDuLANGDuLANG · 06/04/2020 21:00

What are the stats of surviving through icu.?

The current published stats are 50/50, but they don’t mean much yet, as they’ve only been published 10 and 3 days ago (2 x weekly reports) and the majority of patient stays in ICU with CV19 have not been ‘resolved’ (through discharge or death) yet. Other countries are reporting 2-3 week stints on ventilators as average (in usual circumstances the longer you are ventilated the less likely you are to recover, but we don’t really have the data yet on this virus).

DuLANGDuLANGDuLANG · 06/04/2020 21:02

This is the source for the 50/50 figure:

www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/76a7364b-4b76-ea11-9124-00505601089b

BigChocFrenzy · 06/04/2020 21:10

În those stats of ICU patients, they don't sound like "they were going to die anyway"

Average age 60
Only about 7% in total had one or more "severe comorbities"

93% were "Able to live without assistance in daily activities" before entering hospital