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Worried About Coronavirus- thread 36

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TheStarryNight · 03/04/2020 17:17

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Alladdsup · 09/04/2020 19:34

Crunchy Carrot - I have the figures for Italy's daily deaths if that will help, if you wanted to fill in the gaps in your chart?

LilacTree1 · 09/04/2020 19:42

If @HelenaDove is around

I know she understands the hell of boiling buildings

I just came back from my walk and found the fire door propped open with the fire extinguisher

I wonder what we’ll die of in my large boiling building this summer....a cool summer would be a big help to the nhs too. Hospitals won’t be so hot - the heatwave summer my dad was dying, I saw patients delirious from heat - and the PPE gear will be horrendous in hot weather.

Horehound · 09/04/2020 20:35

What's the reasons for the lag of deaths being reported?

EmeraldShamrock · 09/04/2020 21:24

@beanaseireann I was shocked and delighted they removed the private sector.

Italy and the UK- Are they only counting hospital deaths so the figure could be lots higher again. Thanks for the chart @CrunchyCarrot it is awful. I hope people see sense this weekend staying home.

HeIenaDove · 09/04/2020 22:20

Hell yeah @LilacTree1 My one bedroom flat is already too hot. Spring has only just started.

RedToothBrush · 09/04/2020 23:02

Ciaran Jenkins @c4ciaran
Susan is a home carer.

She feeds, bathes and toilets the elderly in their homes. Today half her clients had #COVID.

She takes two buses to collect PPE. On her day off. She says she’s not getting hand gel.

She’s paid £13 an hour.
#ClapForOurCarers

Dundee council says carers have access to hand sanitiser. Susan says it’s like gold dust.

But there’s so much more to Susan’s story..

Susan became a carer two decades ago. She has been caring for some of her clients for years. They are like a second family. She lies awake at night worrying she will carry the virus into their homes and they will die.

Susan works in a group of 9 carers.

They share responsibility for around 30 people in their own homes.

Susan claims four of the service users have suspected Covid-19.

She says six of the service users have tested positive for the virus.

And one passed away on Monday night.

Susan’s team has been hit hard.

She says two of them tested positive for Covid-19.

Four are off work awaiting tests after showing symptoms.

Just three from the team of nine carers remain in work, unsure who the virus will strike next.

Dundee council says home carers or their family members are being tested when they’re showing symptoms.

Susan and @GMB_union say they asked for the whole team to be tested urgently.

Susan: ‘I’m starting to feel like maybe I’m a carrier. Maybe I’m carrying it in to all these people. It keeps you awake at night.’

Today I met Susan at the end of a shift - she’d come from an elderly man with suspected Covid-19.

She had taken him to the toilet to change him. She had cleaned up his bodily fluids. He had a bad cough. It was near her face. She was glad of her mask. It was a basic mask.

Susan would like a gown and a visor. She has neither.

Today she went into six households, three confirmed or suspected covid cases, three clear for now.

She fears she is carrying the virus into the homes of vulnerable people she cares for dearly.

HeIenaDove · 09/04/2020 23:06

Fucking appalling They dont need clapping and other platitudes they need protective equipment.

RedToothBrush · 09/04/2020 23:16

We talked a couple of weeks ago and how excess deaths were not appearing in the UK measure of this for all causes of mortality.

It has been now for the past two weeks.

The graph here which I've screen shot shows how it's shot up above the usual seasonal pattern.

Now whilst this isn't a surprise, it is interesting to see it in the data and just how much its skyrocketed above the normal lines of seasonality.

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RedToothBrush · 09/04/2020 23:29

Last week saw 1274 more deaths than the same week last year to give a bit of an idea of how far above the seasonal average we are.

The excess was in both the 15 - 64 age group and the 65+ one which is highly unusual.

RedToothBrush · 09/04/2020 23:43

www.irishtimes.com/news/science/when-i-look-at-the-viral-loads-we-find-in-elderly-people-it-is-mind-boggling-1.4224985?mode=amp
When I look at the viral loads we find in elderly people, it is mind boggling’
Prodigious virus numbers in Covid-19 linked to contagion, say experts

Virus numbers are three times what might be found with other respiratory viruses such as flu, including in older patients, who are more contagious than expected.

“These are the highest viral loads for any virus I know,” said Prof Marc Van Ranst at the Rega Institute for Medical Research in Leuven, Belgium.

He said he was astonished at the number of the germs he saw from patient throat samples in his lab. Especially surprising, he said, was that elderly people harbour prodigious quantities of virus.

When older people become infected with viruses like flu, they do not produce many virus particles, because their mucosal surfaces are older and drier, it was believed.

“Not many elderly [PEOPLE ]are going to transmit the influenza virus to someone else. They get infected, but are not infecting others,” said Prof Van Ranst – not so for Covid-19.

“When I look at the viral loads that we find in elderly people, it is mind boggling,” he said. “That has been for me the big surprise with this virus.”

This will influence how contagious elderly people can be and perhaps is reflected in the high number of Covid-19 clusters in nursing homes, Prof Van Ranst added.

And

The Nature paper confirms that “for the milder form of the disease, it doesn’t go as far as the lungs, but stays in the throat”, said immunologist Prof Luke O’Neill of Trinity College Dublin.

“It means it is very transmissible just by talking. You don’t need to cough,” he said. Also, people without symptoms, “are very infectious,” he added.

TheStarryNight · 10/04/2020 00:28

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