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Worried About Coronavirus- thread 36

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TheStarryNight · 03/04/2020 17:17

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Rocketmam · 09/04/2020 16:44

Is covid affecting us all differently depending on race? I thought it had been attributed to different culture, home setup etc.

(DD and DS are mixed race so watching with terror).

NoWordForFluffy · 09/04/2020 16:58

I wish they'd stick to a UK figure (broken down into component parts) to keep things easier to follow.

Petiolaris · 09/04/2020 17:03

My understanding is that the virus is hitting ethnic minorities the hardest, but not specifically due to race. Rather it’s a result of poverty, preexisting health conditions, crowded living conditions, less access to good medical care or a healthy diet, and even cultural issues such as being in contact with more people. This effect is particularly pronounced among black Americans.

RedToothBrush · 09/04/2020 17:18

Interesting article about how all the doctors that have died so far in the UK are immigrants. Very sad and raises questions about 1) dependence of the nhs on immigrants 2) entrench racism within the nhs

That was a New York Times article.

I think that is more about American ways of thinking about things rather than purely what you think it does.

The US is having an issue with the number of black people affected. This is connected more with poverty and the type of blue collar jobs they have. And a lack of health care. In other words entrenched poverty that goes back to the slave era (I believe the poorest areas in the South correspond with the old plantations and these areas are amongst the worst for Covid-19. Wealthier African Americans are not having nearly as many problems). So yes it's racism but is also about how that creates poverty.

In the UK poverty and type of employment is also a big factor in how the virus is playing out - though in slightly different ways. Asian doctors are significantly over represented in the NHS workforce compared to the general population. That's an occupational hazard. That's one reason why we are noticing the number of deaths in this population.

I believe there is a genetic / cultural predisposition of diabetes in the British Pakistani population too (part down to diet). The large number of marriages to close relatives certainly won't help this problem.

The West Midlands is home to a lot of Asian families living in overcrowded accommodation. And there is the language barrier issue. So again poverty playing a significant role.

Generally poverty tends to mean you have poorer health and don't tend to get as good access to good health in this country. That owes a lot to class issues - and this affects both white and BAME communities. This is where you look at who are key workers and what their social status is.

Yes I do think racism does play a role in the UK. But I think that the situation is much more complex than that and we should definitely be looking at class and poverty far more in this country tbh.

As for NYC Ive just noticed this article

www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-ventilators-some-doctors-try-reduce-use-new-york-death-rate-2020-4?amp&r=US&IR=T&__twitter_impression=true
80% of NYC's coronavirus patients who are put on ventilators ultimately die, and some doctors are trying to stop using them

The experience in Europe and China has been that intervening too early with ventilators reduces the chances of survival. But in the insurance based US where health is for profit not for patients, there's more money to be made by going full on with intervention early on.

This may be part of the explanation of why the death rate there is higher than anywhere else.

Once again an insurance based system shows its flaws.

EmeraldShamrock · 09/04/2020 17:20

This effect is particularly pronounced among black Americans It is awful as many don't have insurance, all the private hospitals are buying up all the PPE it is a disgrace.

TwentyViginti · 09/04/2020 17:32

The lack of vitamin D could be a factor in the black/Asian illness and death toll. Northern Europeans are 'white' to get as much sun as possible, when we do get it, to make vitamin D. Black and brown skinned people don't absorb as much, living in Northern Europe.

TwentyViginti · 09/04/2020 17:33

The same coud well be the case in black Americans living in the areas with less sun.

RedToothBrush · 09/04/2020 17:37

I think you need to look to occupation and poverty before even thinking about vit D tbh.

CrunchyCarrot · 09/04/2020 17:37

881 new deaths today, making a total of 7,978 deaths in the UK.

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Horehound · 09/04/2020 17:45

How's your chart looking@CrunchyCarrot?

beanaseireann · 09/04/2020 17:45

EmeraldShamrock ".......all the private hospitals are buying up the PPE it is a disgrace." In the US.

That is why I'm delighted our Irish Health Service took over the private hospitals to use them during the Covid19 pandemic.Thanks

The same Irish health service that Dr.Hilary Jones said didn't exist in Ireland . Hmm

Horehound · 09/04/2020 17:46

Oh sorry it's just appeared to me, wasn't showing before!

Legoandloldolls · 09/04/2020 17:49

We're not looking good compared to Italy. But too early to say I guess

MurrayTheMonk · 09/04/2020 17:53

Was there nothing from the cobra meeting about reviewing the lock down in the end then? (Couldn't watch presser as at work)

MurrayTheMonk · 09/04/2020 17:55

Just discovered that the last box of face masks we got from the local authorit-which was meant to get us through til Tuesday- are duff-the elastic bit you put round your ears snaps off as soon as we touch it. Not a great Finding at 6pm before a bank holiday weekend. Bloody hell.

EducatingArti · 09/04/2020 18:03

Oh no Murray. Isn't it time to contact your local TV news and talk about lack of staff and PPE.
There was a care home in Liverpool that had problems and they got a lot of coverage from BBC North West and a lot of help from it.

Kingcole · 09/04/2020 18:07

I have ordered my own off Amazon @MurrayTheMonk. I have decided to take my own safety, into my own hands, as I have had enough of the waffle, nonsense and restrictions/lack of PPE.

MurrayTheMonk · 09/04/2020 18:10

The lead time is too king I think-but will have another look.
My boss would hit the roof if I went to the press. As would the LA and we need them to give us whatever limited help they are doing at the moment...plus I don't think it would help magic much up. All the local schools etc have given all their stuff to the local hospital who also needed it Shock

heathspeedwell · 09/04/2020 18:23

Murray I don't know if this would help but a friend has been 3D printing clear visors that cover your whole face for care homes in our area. Do you know anyone with a 3D printer, or is there are print shop in your area that could make them for you?

MurrayTheMonk · 09/04/2020 18:35

My DD's school is doing for the hospital I think but will contact the other local schools after the BH weekend and ask. It's worth a go.

YangShanPo · 09/04/2020 18:37

Sorry to hear that Murray it's a very bad situation.

YangShanPo · 09/04/2020 18:40

Lock down continues and will be reviewed again next week after the SAGE meeting. No new restrictions but they emphasised people staying in over the weekend.

yoloPenguinsEatfish · 09/04/2020 19:09

murray I wish there was more we could all do to help you and your colleagues countrywide. I totally understand reluctance to go to press and upset your employer and more importantly the LA. I just want to give you a medal, and big hug, and a £1m pay rise!

beanaseireann · 09/04/2020 19:15

MurrayTheMonk
Somebody put a video on a Whats app of a person making their see through face visor using a narrow hair band and an A4 plastic pocket.
You thread the hair band the whole length of the side section of the A4 poly pocket where the two holes are and voila you will have a protective see through visor.
I'm sorry I can't post the video. If I tried I'd probably download the entire contents of my phone onto Mumsnet for sll to see. Blush

Tajiri · 09/04/2020 19:17

Why are todays figures for new cases so late being announced?