Worried About Coronavirus- thread 36

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Surely that can't be right? Germany are doing what 100000 tests a day?

Perhaps there are a relatively large number of negative results?

The Imperial study said we would have a maximum daily death toll of just 210, with a cumulative death count of just 5,700. Both blown out of the water

Pocketem which Imperial study is that? Does it have a published date
Bit small to read on my phone

Did the Imperial study people not realise that the UK and other European countries had no intention of handling the lockdowns etc in the same way as China? The China response makes our efforts look so halfhearted laidback. Surely they would have had the brains to find that it would be inaccurate to assume what our deaths could be based on what happened in China?

Iirc there was an Imperial study not by Neil Ferguson which claimed 5700 which was then debunked

All feels like it's being played down in the media but the deaths are going up.

Did I hear right on Radio 4 about an hour ago someone claiming that UK testing is showing we are not seeing a significant rise in cases, and this is a good sign? How can they POSSIBLY know that, doing as few tests as they are. Is this not blatant disinformation? Maybe I misheard or misunderstood.

Yes I get quite cross when they talk about the infection rate slowing down. We still aren't testing a lot so they can't possibly know that surely?
And the tone of the media seems very relaxed about the horrendous death toll over
The last two days. I'm not convinced there hasn't been some sort of agreement made between press and government over the tone of reporting.
As I heard a Dr day on the news this morning, if 800 people a day were dying in plane crashes or terror attacks the press would be going mad-everyone would be. As it is it just seems we are getting a bit of news fatigue from it. Which is inevitable I suppose but I also feel it might breed complacency which won't be good in terms of people complying with lock down.

The reason they are saying the infection rate is slowing is because they are seeing that in the patients who are admitted to hospital, at the briefing today they showed a graph of ICU admissions I think it was and that was slowing. The deaths are horrendous though and it angers me that on the BBC website the main headline is that Boris is improving and under that in much smaller font is the death rate of over 7000!

It says daily deaths 5700

Well we have tested more people in the past few days than ever before and haven’t seen a corresponding massive jump but I agree testing numbers mean little and as different places do things differently ( and have changed how they do things at points too) it’s hard to do any comparison. Our death numbers are definitely awful however... I’m just hoping that we really are 14 days behind Italy as they had their highest deaths on the 28th March- 11 days ago- which would mean ours would be in just a few days- fingers crossed.

It says daily deaths 5700

No that's total deaths. The next column/table is daily deaths

That 5700 has been said to be incorrect if it’s the study that came from a different department to Ferguson’s

Our LA has 15 tests for carehome workers per month apparently.

Oh that's OK then

It is a weird situation where we do quickly become desensitized to large scale deaths even when it is happening on our doorstep.And how we readily accept the new normal of everyday life. I thought this when I was in the supermarket today. Snaking queues outside that you would normally only find at a theme park, more people than not wearing masks, gloves, plastic covering their shoes. And then inside we all try to buy all our favourite familiar foods to carry on as if everything is just fine.

The testing may well now show a levelling off of the number of new cases but this is just hospital admissions as we know. As we reach the peak there are unfortunately going to be a large number who die at home or in residential homes and other institutions. I don't think they have any idea how many because as we know there has been so little community testing. There was a tv report a couple of days ago where the volunteers from the fire service have been trained up and equipped to deal with this grim job.

Pretty inadequate isn't it

From last month:
"Author of study which projected UK deaths could come in under 6000 says modelling overtaken by reality; 20k-30k is much more likely if the measures being taken are effective in flattening curve."
mobile.twitter.com/sundersays/status/1244196933729759233

(Also, it's a completely different department and study to the Prof Ferguson modelling.)

Hi all, just wondering if anyone else has noticed a big change in their children’s behaviour since the lockdown? I have a sensitive little boy who has just recently turned 4 who I think is showing signs of stress since we started self isolating 3.5 weeks ago ( both my boys had symptoms so started isolating early) his routine of nursery 3 tines a week and seeing my parents at least twice a week and various trips out and play dates have been replaced by just staying home ( which I completely agree is the right thing to do) I’m just getting concerned about his mental health. He is doing things like getting really angry over really small things several times a day such as not having the right pencil to draw with bit his anger very quickly turns to full on sobs and clinging to me saying but I love you mummy. He just doesn’t seem happy. He is also getting more and more demanding. He has like I say always been very ruled by emotion and sensitive but his behaviour is normally really good. Is anyone else experiencing anything similar or have any advice? I’m still being firm with not giving into demands but trying to cuddle him through his meltdowns?

Thanks for reading x

My DS5 has had more meltdowns and gets more angry than usual and I’ve put it down to him needing a release of emotion. Like you I’m sticking to his boundaries, but when he’s having a meltdown I just offer lots of cuddles and reassurance. It’s so hard, isn’t it?

My 3 have been absolutely fine up until yesterday which was possibly my hardest day ever parenting. Lots of regression type behaviour and squabbling/tears.
So today we had a lazy cartoon /sofa / garden / treat food and snuggles sort of day. It seemed to help

Mine is 16 and in the 4 weeks we have been in love lockdown has gone from moody and sad, to quite normal and back to moody and sad again.

When they talk about a vaccine being 12 - 18 months away, will that be from January 2020? So am I being optimistic in thinking there may be a vaccine in January/ February next year?

My 5 year old has been coping well, though had a complete melt down on our walk today. He seems to understand better than most his age what's happening.

First thing this morning he was sat on the sofa and started talking to spell out 'stay at home' before resorting to asking me.

So if anyone says that political messages and slogans aren't effective or they had missed this one, I now can say even a 5 year old gets this...

Him writing that did bother me a bit tbh though. He's very aware of what's going on and it not being normal. He keeps saying we will do this or that with his best mate when the sickness and bugs have gone, quite calmly.

@TerriM86 my daughter is 5- I think she’s struggling not releasing enough energy as they run around so much at school and then play for half an hour afterwards and then we often go the park or for a scoot! We’re trying by doing online stuff, trampoline etc but it’s not the same! She’s definitely cried more easily and I’ve overheard her when playing with her toys saying “ it’s lonely with no friends”. It literally hurts my heart as she so sociable and full of life. Her baby brother is only 5 months old so not much use to her!