Worried about the Coronavirus thread 28

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@JellyFishSquish Hancock likes announcing the death figures for some reason.

I wish our government could be as specific about things as other world leaders

Coronavirus: NHS doctor warns 'a colleague is looking after several patients under 40

I actually felt sick reading that.

Vague waffling is Boris' style though. If he gives numbers, or detail, he can be called out on them later.

So my town has shut the pool, leisure centre , library and museum and the local MP office.

Schools are still on though

The MRC Centre for Global Infectious Diseases at Imperial has released a new monitoring report which is, in part, the basis for the acceleration in UK Govt action.

Link to the report: mobile.twitter.com/Samfr/status/1239625226238988295

t.co/7bUmTNKiEU?amp=1

It will take 2 days I'd say for the Government to realise that while pubs remain open people will still go to them. I'd say a lot will be in the at risk group as well - 50+, male, high BP, diabetes. Yes call them stupid but that is reality. Then they will go around infecting family and anyone else they come in to contact with. I can't see it working unless it is a complete shutdown.

I have just been thinking - where will the money end up? I mean it will still exist - but I guess what will happen is a handful of big property owners are going to be the ones sitting pretty at the end. Because people will still have to pay their leases/rent even if they don't pay their staff.

I was shocked at Boris and his advisors. They just advised, nothing concrete at all.
Like or dislike Macron at least he has balls to take things seriously whatever the cost

France has got it right, I think.

'Incredible tweets from Times science editor here at press conference on Cobra modelling.

— they realised controlled spread would lead to 250,000 deaths
— now advise stronger measures
— had hoped for herd immunity to build
— but now realise not possible to cope with that.'

So much for the special secret British science that the government were following on Thursday, to so much praise and fanfare of some MN cheerleaders. Within 48 hours, they'd already had to acknowledge they had the doubling time wrong. And now even more admissions of the inadequacy of their models. Damn this actual real-world data for not bending to the models, eh?

BNO Newsroom - 'NEW: France reports 1,210 new cases of coronavirus and 21 new deaths, raising total to 6,633 cases and 148 dead.'

@TheElementsOfMedical Indeed

NEW: France reports 1,210 new cases of coronavirus and 21 new deaths, raising total to 6,633 cases and 148 dead t.co/eUoE2b20hL

Macron has told the nation he wants no company to be exposed to the risk of collapse as a result of the pandemic. He has also said gas, electricity and water bills are to be suspended – as are rents – and the state will guarantee companies’ loans with a €300bn package.

Don't think this is likely to be happening in the U.K...............

The guidance previously linked to has only been updated to include guidance on prisons etc. There's no guidance on what was detailed in the press conference as far as I can see although I wonder whether they've said from the weekend to allow them a few days to publish some proper guidance?

America's approach seems to be almost the same as ours

That sky article. This is the important bit

It is those patients in their 30s to 60s, who with the right care are capable of surviving, that will be failed by a system that cannot accommodate them.

This does not even account for the patients of all ages with all manner of medical needs whose care has been put on hold to make way for coronavirus.

We are urgently planning alternatives to our acute heart attack and stroke networks as well as emergency surgery like broken limbs which can wait but really shouldn't.

We need the operating theatres as intensive care space, and we need the surgeons as intensive care doctors.

This is the data that we do not yet have from China and Italy, the inevitable background increase in deaths from all causes.

The unseen, uncounted deaths which have happened but remain invisible.

France 1210 new cases, 21 new fatalities
U.K. 171 new cases, 19 new fatalities

And the French aren’t even testing much, from what I’ve read.

In Sweden they continue doing nothing.

Emily Morgan - 'Here’s the clarity: pregnant women, over 70s and those with chronic illness very strongly advised to avoid gatherings, pubs, cinema, try to work from home. Those with serious conditions, 1.2 million people, must be shielded and mustn’t go out from Friday.'

Matthew Goodwin - '61% of Brits support the government asking over 70-year-olds to self-isolate for up to four months to protect them. A not insignificant 30% oppose this measure -YouGov (today).'

It’s looking highly likely that by tomorrow the U.K. will outstrip South Korea in number of deaths. We’re hurtling towards a public health catastrophe.
I think we need clear instructions not just advice. We actually have to order things to close.

YouGov - 'Do you think the government advice on coronavirus has been clear, or not?
Clear: 47%
Unclear: 49%'