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Worried about corona virus thread 27

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Michelleoftheresistance · 15/03/2020 10:46

New Thread.

I will copy over all the links in a min.

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Michelleoftheresistance · 15/03/2020 10:49

Link to previous thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3846851-Worried-about-coronavirus-thread-25

Advice is changing so much that not sure there's a point copying over links on older threads.

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MissPoldark · 15/03/2020 10:50

So the 38 year old Italian marathon runner has recovered? Well that’s good news.

DrBlackbird · 15/03/2020 10:51

Thanks Michelle

colouringinpro · 15/03/2020 10:51

Meruem* I think the military will have to be involved, but they will be very thinly spread.

Anyone else feel like they've woken up in a disaster movie? Confused

Michelleoftheresistance · 15/03/2020 10:54

LizzyButton

I personally think that Boris Johnson, Matt Hancock and Professor Chris Witty look really scared

They are out of their depths and know that history will probably judge them unfavourably. I don't think they are malicious or playing an evil game with ulterior motives. They are just not the best people for the job (or at least the first two aren't). The political ladder filters out so many talented people and lets the entitled, butt-lickers, or the plodders make their way to the top.

Johnson - pretty useless for anything but procreation. Apparently he used to be funny. Just go take some pre-paternity leave but don't infect Carrie or baby N (where N = an integer).

Hancock - mediocre. I think he is trying hard and his heart is in the right place. Less useless than Johnson, but that's not saying much.

Witty - means well. Late career collector of initials after his name. In another age he'd be selling encyclopedias or cleaning products door to door, but has risen through the advisory ranks. I think he's the most competent of the three, but has fallen into a herd group-think shared by others at the top of his field government linked medics. Note how many a step or two below him with fresher qualifications are increasingly voicing their disagreement.

I'm not making party political points. I don't see much stature or competence in other parties. Oh, and I've never missed Theresa May and Jeremy Hunt so much. In which alternative reality should I be putting forward that thought?

Yeah not much to argue with there...….

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BeijingBikini · 15/03/2020 10:57

I bet Theresa May's so glad that she only had to deal with Brexit now! She's probably sat in her armchair sighing with relief and stockpiling quails eggs and foie gras.

Alwaysreadyforbed · 15/03/2020 10:57

Can people please remember that Boris is not making these decisions themselves. All parties are in the talks and agreeing with the strategy. SNP have confirmed this.
Can people please remember that a tanked economy doesn’t affect the rich only, poor people will be the most affected.

I despair at the intelligence of a lot of the posters on these threads.

DrBlackbird · 15/03/2020 11:00

Michelle lots to agree with in that summary. Johnson is much more a good time boy who never in a million years thought something like this would happen on his watch as PM. I see him as someone who was probably told his whole life 'you're destined for great things' and came to believe it. He's smart, but can't really be asked to do the hard work. His partnership with Cummings was a match made in heaven because Johnson could do what he likes (shaking hands and having head of states dinners) and leave hard management to Cummings. Now its looking as though his/their plan to get May ousted matured a bit too soon.... Johnson needs to bring in new advisors asap.

defthand · 15/03/2020 11:00

No question we’d be in a different place right now if Jeremy Hunt had won the Tory leadership.

To date he’s been the only one in Parliament actively challenging Boris and Whitty.

middleager · 15/03/2020 11:03

The marathon runner is off life support and breathing on his own now. Sory, it is his wife who is now home.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/11139314/italys-coronavirus-patient-one-38-finally-taken-off-life-support-18-days-after-marathon-runner-was-struck-down/

LizzyButton · 15/03/2020 11:03

I think I've got it. How am I feeling? Angry, cynical and not too ill.

It's the last thing that bothers me the most. Symptoms: fever, cough, feeling "chesty". It's upper chest and though I can feel something localised there I can breathe fine. That's it. It's been two days now. I get colds and this isn't a cold (and there's no nasal / sneezy part). If I got this (as it stands now) I'd still go in to work and think I was just a bit under the weather. However, given the fact I have never had these symptoms and coronavirus is out there, I'm fairly sure I've caught it. Actually, I'd be annoyed if I haven't as I'd take this version over most others if it stays steady at this level. There must be many with no or mild symptoms. I think I'm one.

Angry? With myself for catching something. I'm trying to work out when/how. Cynical? That's an endemic feeling I have in this time of crisis.

He's got it too and is a day behind me, but does not have quite the cough. Daughter seems fine but I'm going to keep her in. So, 7 or so days of staying in and then see what the current advice is? I expect things will have changed by then. I'm well stocked for supplies but would kill for fish and chips, but only with overloaded tartare sauce. No I'm not pregnant. Actually, if I am I'm calling it Covid / Covida.

ClientQueen · 15/03/2020 11:06

My dad is "what do I do?"
He's 70 and working FT, and carer for my mum who has dementia, so only one income
He's running a pub so washing his hands as much as he can but he touches a glass, a beer pump, carries a plate of food out, opens a door for someone..

DrBlackbird · 15/03/2020 11:08

Always perhaps the cross party talks are happening now, but there was clearly no evidence of that last week when the opposition were laying into Johnson and co. The economy, unfortunately, is going to tank regardless. There is no stopping that now.

SistemaAddict · 15/03/2020 11:09

Thank you for the new thread. The news about the over 70s plan has upset me this morning. It feels so unreal all of this and then you get breaking news like that and it hits home. Mum is staying in anyway and we are all staying in too. I'm scared now. I have a court hearing in a couple of weeks and I don't know if that will go ahead. The court website isn't particularly helpful.

The dds are baking and I'm going to bake more bread and make soup as I didn't yesterday.

I'm trying to stay positive but want to cry.

Rosainryehead · 15/03/2020 11:11

So worried about my grandparents.

RedLentilYellowLentil · 15/03/2020 11:11

Thanks for the new thread @Michelleoftheresistance and best wishes to @ofwarren.

The other thread filled up before I could post, but I wanted to say to @OldQueen1969 that it's my belief that her friend's xray will have given the doctor who treated her a fair indication that this was a normal chest infection, not Covid19. I'm not a practising doctor, but my understanding is that Covid19 produces distinct imaging, which is one of the things that first alerted the Wuhan doctors to the fact that they were dealing with a new disease. If she's been prescribed prednisolone for a bad, but standard, bronchitis, she should take it imo. I understand the worry, but I think it's unlikely that she will 'press for a test' successfully given the current guidelines. I hope that helps and gives some reassurance.

RedToothBrush · 15/03/2020 11:12

Justin Stares @justinstares
To bypass the lockdown, Belgians are crossing the border into the Netherlands, where bars and restaurants are still open.

Vua Google translate
m.hln.be/in-de-buurt/turnhout/burgemeester-van-turnhout-aan-nederlandse-collega-s-stop-horecatoerisme~a597bba5/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_content=Nieuws&utm_source=dlvr.it&referer=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FHIOP1VwUyx%3Famp%3D1
Mayor of Turnhout to Dutch colleagues: “Stop catering tourism”

In an attempt to stop "catering tourism", the mayor of Turnhout Paul Van Miert calls on his Dutch colleagues at the border to adopt the Belgian guidelines on the corona virus. He does this in a letter that he will post on Monday.

In the letter, he addresses his colleagues from the three major North Brabant battles that are often visited by Belgians. These are John Jorritsma from Eindhoven, Theo Weterings from Tilburg and Paul Depla from Breda.

In our country, cafes and restaurants are obliged to close the doors, but those measures have not been taken in the Netherlands. "As a result, people with little citizenship simply cross the border to go to a restaurant or café in the Netherlands," it sounds.

This spread in the measures is counterproductive, says Van Miert. "The virus is mutating and spreading at lightning speed and we can currently miss a Dutch-Belgian cross-contamination as a toothache. May I politely ask you as the citizen father of a - albeit small - center city to throw your weight as mayors and you higher to convince the government to bring the Dutch guidelines and measures into line with those of its southern neighbors, "writes the mayor of Turnhout.

TheCanterburyWhales · 15/03/2020 11:16

Hello.
It's me. Book.
Can't keep away. Chuh.

TheCanterburyWhales · 15/03/2020 11:16

And Flowers for yesterday. It mattered.

nellodee · 15/03/2020 11:16

@Lweji posted this link, and I am going to post it everywhere.

www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

The moderate distancing is 1 in 4 still moving about. The extreme is only 1 in 8 moving.

Worried about corona virus thread 27
anonacfr · 15/03/2020 11:17

Lizzy don't be angry at having caught something.
The biggest danger with this epidemic is that it is everywhere already, has been for much longer than people know.

The Chinese tried to minimize the outbreak and when they realise they couldn't they locked everything down.
The only chance we had would have been for Europe to act united and do the same.

We are all fucked now.

Look after yourself and hope all is well.

DrBlackbird · 15/03/2020 11:18

Re: economy tanking, I'm involved in a small business. Precious little detail has actually been provided on government support that is meant to come our way.

For example, Sunak's reassurance last week that small businesses wouldn't have to pay business rates hasn't stopped our local council from sending us our rates bill. What are we supposed to do? Pay it and then lose cash to pay our staff as income is in freefall? Not pay it and risk fines??

We need more than a headline budget at this point in time.

Twasbambam · 15/03/2020 11:18

I agree with the 'woken up in the intro of every disaster movie ever made' feeling.

We are self-isolating, stocked up and ready as we can be. But suddenly it doesn't feel like nearly enough. And I can't stop thinking about those that aren't remotely ready for whatever reason.

What do I do about elderly parents ignoring advice? What if one if the dc chooses the next few weeks/months to get appendicitis? Will dh still be able to get his bucket of monthly meds? What is actually going to happen?

I have to be careful not to keep asking myself these things or I could swing from wary to panic.

OldQueen1969 · 15/03/2020 11:20

Unsurprisingly, there have been a few analogies made about this situation being a war type scenario.

In the first instance, identifying ones enemy is vital - obviously our enemy here is CV19.

Then the next vital stage is intelligence gathering which must be an ongoing process. This covers finding everything out one can about the enemy, it's "plans" and the likely consequences. Much has already been done in this area in the last four months, starting on other countries, and sharing information with allies to provide a co-ordinated response when a threat is global is logical and good practise.

As evidence solidifies it is important to pass on the correct information to the population for the war effort, so they can come together (metaphorically) and help reduce risk and impact under the solid guidance of the "generals". and make relevant contributions.

In this scenario data about our enemy is not being gathered efficiently, and what is available is vague, ever changing and sometimes downright inconsistent. This of course leads to conflict within the population about how best to proceed, conspiracy theorising and opens up the opportunity for the less scrupulous to take advantage, leading in a worst case scenario to civil unrest requiring authoritarian measures and diverting resources from other important areas such as managing and protecting our infrastructure, and ensuring the most vulnerable are protected.

Given that the first bit of my analogy is being utterly ignored in the UK - intelligence gathering via robust testing, I can see why people are concluding that something else is going on too,

In a real war scenario, there is an argument for witholding sensitive information to safeguard defence operations and prevent panic, particularly if things are unsubstantiated, but this applies less here in this situation. Good education, honesty and transparency is essential to prevent societal breakdown.

BoJo's speech regarding deaths was the first thing that really showed the seriousness of the problem to the UK public, and was a stark contrast to the "it probably won't be that bad" refrain peddled by everyone pretty much up to that point.

Cruising the boards there are now many threads where people are getting closer and closer to the enemy on a personal level, but we don't even know if it is the real enemy - mass isolation when a percentage may well be a bad cold leading to economic repercussions is not a balanced approach. I'm in this group of people now - not knowing if someone close to me with serious symptoms, with whom I had close contact last week has CV19 or "just" the worst normal flu she has ever experienced. I can't just abandon my housebound terminally ill mother on the frigging off chance. This sort of decision making should be done when fully informed. I don't like playing Russian roulette.

middleager · 15/03/2020 11:21

I feel the same Twas I thought about appendicitis or broken bones too or a car accident en route to dropping groceries off etc.