To think that maybe being vegan could've stopped this.

[Scapegoatforlife]

See the link and post

www.instagram.com/p/B9uiHGJl5xo/?igshid=ae9keny8um35

In short : COVID-19 was caused by eating animals (bats)

Ebola, swine flu, bird flu , HIV , SARS and VCJD were caused by eating animals.

COVID-19 and the like would not exist had we not eaten them.

And each one has caused an epidemic of some sorts, whether that be globally or on a social scale.

After doing my own research I'm definitely going to be incorporating more vegan food into my diet and then transitioning fully.

I KNOW this is about the C word, however it's an AIBU and let's be honest people post non relevant stuff in here all the time and dont get policed for it.

• Are you saying that no where else can sustain a vegan/vegetarian diet.

Even in China and India where traditionally it the norm.*

Oh for fucks sake.

Of course I’m not saying that.

I’m saying that individual mumnetters coming on and posting all about how healthy they are on a vegan diet and how easy it is for them is completely irrelevant to how well a vegan diet can work in some regions worldwide. And I clearly stated that I’m making the assumption that most mumnetters post from the UK & Europe.

You’re right that local produce and less meat is better than foreign produce and lots of meat but a vegan diet is better than both of those, even if all the food in it is imported from abroad.

God missing the point. That's not realistic. If people can make smaller changes to what they do, they are more likely to stick to it.

Being vegan, will not prevent pandemics.

Being vegan for a lot of the world isnt realistic.

But we do something to help the environment.

The biggest impacted on the environment are kids. Plenty of vegans, like non vegans have 3,4,5 kids. Let's not pretend vegans are saints, who are trying to save the world and everyone else is evil

Let's have a realistic conversation.

Just eating 'more vegan food' doesnt make sense. Because again food labelled as 'vegan' is often piss poor in terms of health.

Vegetarians don’t eat bats. I don’t think all that many meat eaters do either.

Some people should remember where animals get their vitamins from, and then wonder why were eating our vitamins etc through an animal rather than the source itself?

I dont see how eating a more plant based diet is a bad thing.

I didn’t say any of those things. I was just correcting something you said which was factually wrong about the environmental impact of veganism.

As for food labelled as vegan being piss poor for health, that really is meaningless drivel. Yes you can buy unhealthy, processed vegan food, but what point does that prove? I don’t claim that omnivorous diets are piss poor for health because they can contain things like big macs and cheese from a tube and bacon and condensed milk and deep fried fish.

Is India traditionally vegan? What is ghee made from?

as I said on a previous post I did think it was possible that most of the world could become vegan. The only place I saw that could have a problem was parts of Africa.

What about people who live in the Arctic, Inuit people for example? Their diet has always traditionally been almost entirely animal based, and actually as I understand it, moving away from that in recent years has caused them some health problems. And they can't really grow tonnes of crops where they live because well...its the Arctic!

I don’t think Indians are traditionally vegan - plenty of vegetarians though.

Apparently it's drinking cow's pee that is protecting India, so if that isn't vegan, then being vegan wouldn't help.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-india-43581122

There will be problems in the world no matter what.

Another issue would just arise even if we were all vegan.

I'm vegan and I'm cross that we have this problem due to people eating weird stuff .. therr is really no need to eat meat these days . So many amazing meals you can make with veg .. convincing the rest of the human race of that is a tall order though!

So many amazing meals you can make with veg ..
But nothing like a bat soup

Being vegan, will not prevent pandemics

It would have have prevented this and a lot of other pandemics

China are passing a law to make it illegal for people to eat wild animals

I think the issue was the hygiene at this wey market with animals being slaughtered next to cooked meat

There would be different pandemics. Viruses evolve. There is absolutely no reason to think there would not be a virus which evolved to infect people even without the need to eat the meat. They are smarter than we think

It would have have prevented this and a lot of other pandemics

Does it really matter what the pandemic would be? We could all be vegan and it would still happen?

Might not be this, but there would still be them.

But nothing like a bat soup

That’s true, bat soup is the one thing I really miss since going vegan. Quorn bat bites just aren’t the same.

As for food labelled as vegan being piss poor for health, that really is meaningless drivel. Yes you can buy unhealthy, processed vegan food, but what point does that prove? I don’t claim that omnivorous diets are piss poor for health because they can contain things like big macs and cheese from a tube and bacon and condensed milk and deep fried fish.*

Name one vegan food that is decent?

What you actually mean is in erase plant based food.

What's meaningless is 'eat more vegan food'. I eat food suitable for vegans everyday.

I am allergic to milk, and eat very little meat and eat loads of fruit and veg. Fruit and veg isnt vegan food. Its food.

You are purposely missing the point that 'eat more vegan food' means nothing. Increasing plant based food without reducing meat intake will do what exactly?

That’s true, bat soup is the one thing I really miss since going vegan. Quorn bat bites just aren’t the same.

Tbf to the bat soup eater, news said it may have been pangolin rather than bat what started it (by catching it from the bat though)

A large proportion of society are happy to ignore the suffering that animals are enduring right now in cages,barns and slaughter houses. It might be a personal choice to eat meat but there is a very real victim who didnt ask for it. There is no humane knife that slits their throat.

@Rhubarbpeony have you tried making your own from ground cashew nuts and tahini. Edible, and only takes 3h.

CumbiaVillera have you actually read the sodding thread? There are some people in the world for whom eating meat isn’t a personal choice, it’s a survival necessity.

Dyrne so then what's our excuse? We dont need to put billions of them through it every year.