To think that maybe being vegan could've stopped this.

[Scapegoatforlife]

See the link and post

www.instagram.com/p/B9uiHGJl5xo/?igshid=ae9keny8um35

In short : COVID-19 was caused by eating animals (bats)

Ebola, swine flu, bird flu , HIV , SARS and VCJD were caused by eating animals.

COVID-19 and the like would not exist had we not eaten them.

And each one has caused an epidemic of some sorts, whether that be globally or on a social scale.

After doing my own research I'm definitely going to be incorporating more vegan food into my diet and then transitioning fully.

I KNOW this is about the C word, however it's an AIBU and let's be honest people post non relevant stuff in here all the time and dont get policed for it.

@Oliversmumsarmy Yes they were planning on eating them, what I meant is that the transmission point was during the slaughter process, not the eating process.

Oliversmumsarmy and MarieFromStTropez you have both quoted a post conveniently leaving out the key part, I’ll finish it for you:

in places where folk can't grow much of their own food and can't afford a supermarket (or won't have one).

They even included some sodding maps specifically highlighting where in the world they were referring to.

Yes, it may be fine and simple to get a full and balanced vegan diet in the UK/Europe (where I’m assuming most MNetters are posting from). It’s not necessarily possible elsewhere.

And you say you agree that it’s not possible - so why come on a thread specifically talking about global vegan diet possibility giving your own experience from one part of the world; and say it’s fine?

@Oliversmumsarmy Oh & I am pleased you feel better on a vegan/vege diet. Because I feel better NOT eating a huge amount of fruit/veg.

You have to understand that that is YOU, and not correct for all.

I have to limit fruit and vegetables. I can freely eat most meat and fish. Fruit and veg have FODMAPS in them, and cause my IBS to flare. I won't go into too many details, but needless to say that fruit & veg + IBS is a disaster in the current cannot-find-toilet-roll "crisis"

Since being on a lo-fod diet I have dropped 6 dress sizes, and have more energy now than I have had since I don't know when. My symptoms have dropped 95%.

Still, I am aware that that is ME and wouldn't suggest we all start following a lo-fod diet, because it doesn't work for everyone.

Anecdotes don't = data

I couldn’t get lentils anywhere this weekend, tried Waitrose and Sainsbury’s yesterday and Waitrose again today.
I got Black pudding instead.

Sorry, I should have clarified in my post that obviously some people in the UK/Europe will be unable to go on a vegan diet due to medical restrictions or living in food poverty - when you get a package from the food bank you’re not really going to turn your nose up at the UHT milk for your children because it’s not vegan.

Didn’t mean to imply that everyone in western countries are able to go vegan (just as I don’t want to imply that everyone in Africa and Asia are poor).

The story of vegan who feels better on vegan diet is of a same no value like the story of vegan who felt shit on that diet.
It tells me absolutely nothing about how the diet would affect me🤷
What does tell me though is my reaction to certain foods and my preferences.

do people really not understand that not everyone on the planet can get vitamin B12 from...Marmite

Frankly if it's that or coronavirus, I'll take my chances.

@BodiesMakeForGoodFertiliser It tells me absolutely nothing about how the diet would affect me🤷 What does tell me though is my reaction to certain foods and my preferences.

Yup!

I got Black pudding instead

I bought some haggis. Might make some green lentils to go with it.

Eating locally and less meat. At population would be load better than vegan from anywhere in the world.

What does this mean?

I couldn't get lentils in the supermarket either- or flour! I went to the Asian supermarket and nabbed the last giant 2kg bag and a big chappati flour.

I come from a part of India that follows a mostly vegan diet. Over there women tend to die of even minor pph due to anemia. Also sudden death is more common there than anywhere else in India. As is kidney disease (because vegans who eat lots of chana / lentils / pulses will have far too much protein in their diets).

Oh I fancy haggis now but CBA to go back to the shops, I’ve got some green lentils though.

Gosh vegans never cease to amaze with their stupidity which can only be matched by their self righteousness.

There is so much wrong with this I cant be arsed to state it all...

because vegans who eat lots of chana / lentils / pulses will have far too much protein in their diets

Shroedinger’s vegan - simultaneously dying of a protein deficiency and kidney disease from having too much protein in their diets

The way we mass farm animals and use antibiotics to keep them in unnatural conditions is another situation like this waiting to happen. Antibiotic resistance is a major threat to life. As is destroying natural habitats and rearing animals in close proximity to wildlife like bats. Everyone should be eating less meat, buying locally where they can. This should be a wake up call.

Vegans don’t die from protein deficiency. It’s the opposite When you eat whole foods. In the Gujarat doctors are always advising patients to reduce lentils and pulses as high-protein diets contribute to kidney disease in a big way. Though to be fair people often eat them several times a day

It's processed food that is bad for you. Doesn't matter if you have a vegan diet or omnivore, it's the processed crap that is making you unhealthy.

We have evolved to have an omnivore diet. There are things in animal products that our bodies need to function properly. Yes some people will be OK on a vegan diet but most will get deficient in somthing, and I have noticed that most vegans have bad teeth and gums.

A varied unprocessed local diet is what we should aim for with minimal animal products produced in ethical and hygienic ways.

Yes, it may be fine and simple to get a full and balanced vegan diet in the UK/Europe (where I’m assuming most MNetters are posting from). It’s not necessarily possible elsewhere

Are you saying that no where else can sustain a vegan/vegetarian diet.

Even in China and India where traditionally it the norm.

OTOH vegans are being accused of global warming because they eat loads of imported foods from all over the world but then if we say a vegan diet is sustainable elsewhere suddenly it isn’t possible as other countries can’t produce food to feed themselves a vegan diet

What does this mean?

Exactly what it said. If you eat more locally sourced food and less meat, it's better for the environment.

Perhaps this is true that if we all had more vegan meals, not necessarily strict veganism, in all our diets would have been good all round. But also, it would have to be started years if not decades ago to stop the current CV pandemic.

Antibiotic resistance is scary but we're already moving towards greater understanding of gut health as a way of moving forward.

Personally, I love the idea of veganism but it just didn't match up with my allergy needs and I got weak and malnourished. The OP was going to get short shift on MN with this one though!

HIV is caused by eating animals? Yeah ok.

The only way to stop viruses transmitting between species is to drive every animal to extinction except humans. It doesn’t require eating the animal to get a virus transmitted from their species to ours.

This whole vegan assertion that we can stop viruses transmitting between species by not eating meat is akin to a religious belief. There is no scientific basis for it. It is purely morality based with eating meat as a cardinal sin. It is the modern day equivalent of a priest during the Black Death saying that our sins caused the plague. And if we’d not sinned, we’d have no sickness.

Exactly what it said. If you eat more locally sourced food and less meat, it's better for the environment.

You were missing some vital words there...!

You’re right that local produce and less meat is better than foreign produce and lots of meat but a vegan diet is better than both of those, even if all the food in it is imported from abroad.