To think that maybe being vegan could've stopped this.

[Scapegoatforlife]

See the link and post

www.instagram.com/p/B9uiHGJl5xo/?igshid=ae9keny8um35

In short : COVID-19 was caused by eating animals (bats)

Ebola, swine flu, bird flu , HIV , SARS and VCJD were caused by eating animals.

COVID-19 and the like would not exist had we not eaten them.

And each one has caused an epidemic of some sorts, whether that be globally or on a social scale.

After doing my own research I'm definitely going to be incorporating more vegan food into my diet and then transitioning fully.

I KNOW this is about the C word, however it's an AIBU and let's be honest people post non relevant stuff in here all the time and dont get policed for it.

Ffs oreos and jam donuts.....yes extremely healthy. People should eat more oreo and jam donuts. They are definitely decent for health. hmm

You said name ‘Decent’ food - if you meant you wanted me to list healthy food why didn’t you say so...?

Not all pasta is Vegan. Most of the food on that list just happen to be suitable for vegans. They are 'vegan food'.

All dried pasta is vegan. And what is this mental distinction you’re trying to impose? Any food a vegan can eat is vegan food - what’s with the artificial definition you’re insisting upon?

Are you really suggesting to improve peoples health, stop pandemics people should eat more oreo, starburst, vegan pasta and game donuts.

I never said these foods would improve health and I never said eating more vegan food would stop pandemics. You’re confusing me with another poster, I think. Do you mean to direct those comments to the OP? She’s not a vegan btw.

The other food on that list is simply food. It's not vegan food. Its suitable for vegans. But meat eaters eat them aswell.

Anything a vegan can eat is vegan food. Of course omnivores eat it too, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t vegan.

Again 'eat more vegan food' isnt going to stop a pandemic. Which is what I was saying. It's a meaningless statement. I could eat the food you listed all day, but unless it also accompanied by eating no animal products, it's not a vegand diet.

Again, not something I ever said, I think you’re conflating me with a different poster.

Not sure why you are so annoyed I cant get on board with 'eat more vegan food'. Its meaningless. Op isnt vegan. Is planning on eating more vegan food. Not becoming vegan. How does that achieve what she is getting at or what you want for everyone.

At the risk of becoming boringly repetitive - again, this isn’t something I ever said, and you’re mixing me up with someone else.

You may want everyone to become vegan.

Everyone who can.

Not going to happen. Far more realistic for people to reduce animal products, up natural foods.

Yep, that’s better than nothing.

If we live on oreos and jam donuts, the health implications are huge. That was my other point. Lots of processed foods that have been adjusted to be 'vegan', are full of crap and not good for health. That's not for me, thanks.

Who said we should live on just Oreos and doughnuts? Not me.

Lots of food eaten by omnivores is also processed and full of crap, but that doesn’t make omnivorous diets automatically unhealthy, because there’s no compulsion to eat those foods. What an omnivorous diet absolutely does involve is a massive environmental impact and the torture and killing of animals. That’s not for me, thanks.

You said name ‘Decent’ food - if you meant you wanted me to list healthy food why didn’t you say so...?

When our back and forth started I explicitadly said that many processed 'vegans foods' are crap health wise. Why would I keep repeating the same over and again? Word for word?

Anything a vegan can eat is vegan food. Of course omnivores eat it too, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t vegan.

Its food. That happens to also be suitable for vegans.

Again, not something I ever said, I think you’re conflating me with a different poster.

This was the original point I was making.

Eat more 'vegan food's means nothing. because you can eat more food suitable for vegans and NOT be a vegan.

Again, not something I ever said, I think you’re conflating me with a different poster.

They were you examples of decent vegan food. Are you really suggesting we should just all eat more of that?

And I actually main great pains to point out that plenty of both vegans and meat eater are unhealthy. Plenty of both are healthy.

So let's not make out I said a vegan diet had to be unhealthy.

My point was 'eat more vegan food' doesnt make sense. Environmentally or on health.

It's a pointless statement. And eating vegan doesnt automatically mean you are healthy. It also doesnt mean pandemics will stop.

Plenty of vegans eat food that is heavily processed. I worked for one of the big supermarkets. The processes their vegan cupcakes went through, was bizarre. Not great from production and carbon footprint point of view or environmental.

So yes, you want people to rat better for health, pandemics, environment...the 'eat more vegan food', doesnt make sense and is pointless.

When our back and forth started I explicitadly said that many processed 'vegans foods' are crap health wise. Why would I keep repeating the same over and again? Word for word?

You said ‘name one decent vegan food’. If you meant ‘name one healthy vegan food but please exclude all fruit and vegetables because I explicitly don’t count those’ I would known what you wanted. Don’t ask the wrong question and then blame me for not answering the one you actually meant to ask.

Its food. That happens to also be suitable for vegans.

So what is the difference between ‘vegan food’ and ‘food suitable for vegans’. I must confess the nuances of this distinction are lost on me.

This was the original point I was making.

Eat more 'vegan food's means nothing. because you can eat more food suitable for vegans and NOT be a vegan.

Can you do me a favour and go back through the thread and wake up to the fact that I wasn’t the person who said these things, and you’re trying to have an argument with the wrong poster?

They were you examples of decent vegan food. Are you really suggesting we should just all eat more of that?

No because I WAS NOT THE PERSON WHO SAID PEOPLE SHOULD EAT MORE VEGAN FOOD. Is it more comprehensible in all caps? I’ve said it about five times now, not sure what else I can do?

And I actually main great pains to point out that plenty of both vegans and meat eater are unhealthy. Plenty of both are healthy.

So let's not make out I said a vegan diet had to be unhealthy.

My point was 'eat more vegan food' doesnt make sense. Environmentally or on health.

I haven’t been talking about health, so for the love of god please leave that aside.

You are absolutely wrong on the environment - even the unhealthiest, most imported vegan diet is better for the environment than any omnivorous diet.

Here is the evidence - you simply can’t deny what is an incontrovertible fact.

ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local

ourworldindata.org/environmental-impacts-of-food#the-carbon-footprint-of-eu-diets-where-do-emissions-come-from

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/revealed-the-enormous-carbon-footprint-linked-to-eating-avocado-a3591501.html%3famp

It's a pointless statement. And eating vegan doesnt automatically mean you are healthy. It also doesnt mean pandemics will stop.

I didn’t say it would stop pandemics. Repeat out loud 5 times to help you internalise the message.

Plenty of vegans eat food that is heavily processed. I worked for one of the big supermarkets. The processes their vegan cupcakes went through, was bizarre. Not great from production and carbon footprint point of view or environmental.

When I make vegan cupcakes I use flour, vanilla, margarine, sugar, baking powder and oat milk. No big scaries. I expect there is a lot more processing involved in a store bought vegan cake but you presumably recognise that is true of non-vegan store bought cupcake too? If not, read the labels next time you’re in Tesco and you’ll see for yourself.

So yes, you want people to rat better for health, pandemics, environment...the 'eat more vegan food', doesnt make sense and is pointless.

The environment is the only reason I have stated for why people should go vegan and again, at no point did I say people should just eat more vegan food. I said everyone who can should go vegan.

The meat eaters on here are up in arms about how terrible vegan food is yet unless they are on some weird diet they eat vegan food everyday.

You said ‘name one decent vegan food’. If you meant ‘name one healthy vegan food but please exclude all fruit and vegetables because I explicitly don’t count those’ I would known what you wanted. Don’t ask the wrong question and then blame me for not answering the one you actually meant to ask.

You challenged my original point if you cant keep up, keep to yourself.

Fruit and veg are not vegan food. They are food.

I didnt address you. I was addressing the original point and you started questioning me. I was talking about whole impact (environment and health) and the ops plan to 'eat more vegan food'which means nothing.

I was talking about different aspects of it, you came along halfway through and decided you were only talking about one thing, so I just only talk about that thing. Its bizarre.

You can eat more vegan friendly food and have no or only a negative impact on the environment.

The whole world can not be vegan. Not everyone who can will be. But most of us can lower our impact. And just claiming you are going to 'eat more vegan food', doesnt achieve anything. I could live on oreos and jam donuts and the next time a pandemic starts I will have existing health issues. But I followed what the OP said....I ate more vegan food.

Cheers for the donut tip. We are often worried about pork gelatine in the jam so it's good to know about these. Is the consistency the same like proper donuts?

I say often but we get donuts twice a year😂

Dyrne We feed tons of grain to our cattle while people starve,so we can eat steak. This could be much more wisely distributed to nations that struggle. But again,i ask you. Why does that excuse our actions in the west?

Meat is bad for us (cancer,high cholesterol,heart disease etc) bad for the planet and really fucking shit for the animals. And yes,i still think this is the thread to discuss this!

There has been studies that vegan diet causes higher risk of strokes btw. So it's not all clear cut.

Also, let's be honest here. Vegan diet is more environment friendly NOW. Would it be if 90% of population were on it? Absolutely doubt it. I think lots of people are completely forgetting about human nature. Also. Meat is NOT bad for us unless eaten in really high quantities. A normal person with balanced diet will not be in danger...

Everyone can do their little bit, and most actually do. But no one can be forced to do anything.

Btw even lots of fruit and veg is toxic if eaten in high quantities.

The 7 billion livestock animals in the United States consume five times as much grain as is consumed directly by the entire American population. We feed grain to cattle while other nations starve. So it's not working all that great atm is it?

People who eat vegan and vegetarian diets have a lower risk of heart disease and a higher risk of stroke, a major study suggests.

They had 10 fewer cases of heart disease and three more strokes per 1,000 people compared with the meat-eaters.

The research, published in the British Medical Journal, looked at 48,000 people for up to 18 years.

However, it cannot prove whether the effect is down to their diet or some other aspect of their lifestyle

Would it be if 90% of population were on it? Absolutely doubt it

Yes it would. The thing about facts is that even if you doubt them they’re still true.

You challenged my original point if you cant keep up, keep to yourself.

No, I didn’t. I made an initial post about the environment in response to the OP. It wasn’t a response to you and didn’t mention you. You then challenged me (tagging me by name) on the point I made about the environment. It’s right there in the thread if you want to check for yourself.

Fruit and veg are not vegan food. They are food.

Once again, if you can explain to me the difference between ‘vegan food’ and ‘food suitable for vegans’ I would be grateful because right now I am completely unable to fathom what you think the distinction is.

I didnt address you. I was addressing the original point and you started questioning me. I was talking about whole impact (environment and health) and the ops plan to 'eat more vegan food'which means nothing.

Nope - check again. You were the one who started questioning me in response to my first post which had nothing to do with you.

I was talking about different aspects of it, you came along halfway through and decided you were only talking about one thing, so I just only talk about that thing. Its bizarre.

Again, you were the person who challenged me.

If you were going to make this point so many times, why would you not check first to make sure you were right?!

You can eat more vegan friendly food and have no or only a negative impact on the environment.

I didn’t say this. I said vegan diets are more environmentally friendly. A completely different argument.

The whole world can not be vegan. Not everyone who can will be. But most of us can lower our impact. And just claiming you are going to 'eat more vegan food', doesnt achieve anything. I could live on oreos and jam donuts and the next time a pandemic starts I will have existing health issues. But I followed what the OP said....I ate more vegan food.

I said I wish everyone who could be vegan was vegan. I didn’t say it was suitable for everyone.

I cannot understand why you persist in pretending I’ve said I’m going to eat more vegan food, or that just eating vegan food without reducing meat consumption will help. I’ve told you it wasn’t me who said those things so many times that you can’t just be mistaken any more, it must be deliberate. Why? Is it because you can’t refute what I’m saying so you’re pretending I said something else that you can argue with? Is it just to be deliberately irritating?

Last year the world produced enough food for 11 billion people there are 7 billion on the planet that is more than 50% extra, the problem is not that the world doesn't produce enough food but so much is in wrong place at wrong time and is wasted or people don't have access because of poverty wars and state corruption

Current agriculture technology, current available land for crops is already enough, it is the lack of logistics in getting food at affordable prices to people
A lot of hilly, desert land used for livestock is not suitable for crops you can move goats several miles a day for food and water you can't do that with crops, most of the world's sheep and goats are not on arable land

Easy to say that everyone should be vegan. DS, 9, has several life threatening food allergies, including peas, lentils and chickpeas. plus nuts including tree nuts. He eats little and often and needs his energy levels up as he is not what you call a "strappy" child. Tofu and a salad will not cut it. Plus due to his allergies he has anxieties around food and would not eat it anyway. I wish people would get off their high horse. I am lucky I can afford organic meat and I will continue to cook what he eats. It is not pandering, it is a medical need.

Is it animal cruelty wrong?.

Ignore random 'it'

Did you just ask in all seriousness whether animal cruelty is wrong?

Yes. Is animal cruelty wrong? Is it wrong to kill an animal?

What about putting then in cages and barns?

Is it ok to throw a live chick in a blender because its male?

Or slaughter a hen at just 72 weeks old because her egg output will now deplete?

Or put a sow in a cage to give birth,as she will eat her young due to stress?

That 97% of pigs will spend their lives in barns?

Or take a calf away from its mother because we want the milk instead?

So yes, is animal cruelty wrong. Because all the above don't seem ok to me. Yes acknowledge i have the privilege of living in the west, but i can fight for the rights of animals as well as other minorities. But the abuse of many animals is ok with most of society.

Ah, right. Your question made it seem like you were going to be fine with those things.

YANBU at all! If everyone was vegan (I'm not) Covid-19 wouldn't have infected people at all.

@oohnicevase therr is really no need to eat meat these days

Well for one, I cannot have a predominantly vege/vegan diet so yes, there IS a good reason to eat meat, thanks. I need meant/fish to make up a substantial part of my diet.

Nowt so stupid as folk who think they are always right....

@Justwondered90901

Another who thinks everyone can eat a vege based diet. Newflash, I can't.

@MarieFromStTropez Too much ignorance, not enough compassion.^

Yup, and YOU are part of the problem. Do you realise that not everyone can have a vege/plant based diet? Are some vegans so insular that they cannot think about how people cannot follow their "perfect" diet? YOU think there is no compassion here? How about YOU have compassion for others by reading what they are saying??

@Rhubarbpeony Genuine Q, doesn't Starburst have gelatin in them?

No worries Rhubarbpeony

@differentnameforthis they don’t! I think the US ones maybe contain gelatin, but in the UK they’re vegan.