To think that maybe being vegan could've stopped this.

[Scapegoatforlife]

See the link and post

www.instagram.com/p/B9uiHGJl5xo/?igshid=ae9keny8um35

In short : COVID-19 was caused by eating animals (bats)

Ebola, swine flu, bird flu , HIV , SARS and VCJD were caused by eating animals.

COVID-19 and the like would not exist had we not eaten them.

And each one has caused an epidemic of some sorts, whether that be globally or on a social scale.

After doing my own research I'm definitely going to be incorporating more vegan food into my diet and then transitioning fully.

I KNOW this is about the C word, however it's an AIBU and let's be honest people post non relevant stuff in here all the time and dont get policed for it.

If meat eaters are to blame, I suppose it makes a change from blaming poor people...

Of course being vegan isn't without its own risks, with cases of E.Coli in lettuces, Salmonella in salads, Listeria contaminations in red onions and the parasite Cyclospora being linked to some salads in the USA.

These aren't likely to lead to a pandemic though.

Bloody vegans! Always like an opportunity to ride round in their high horse.

It’s not a it eating meat, it’s the standards by which the meat is produced. Painfully obvious.

Also, pointing the finger in a pandemic? Classy

You're exactly right OP, but MN is full of defensive meat-eaters so expect a rough ride.

Practically all the weird outbreaks we've had in the past 20 years have had the same cause. I'm sure the Chinese have the technology to create vegan 'bushmeat' that looks and tastes authentic, if it's that important to them to carry on doing this weird shit that has such serious repercussions for the rest of the world .

Maybe not eating bats, turtles, rats etc would've helped. People have been eating meat like chicken, beef, turkey for years and years (apart from the mad cow disease breakout). Maybe going vegan would've helped. Maybe not!

You know diseases can jump the species barrier without the originating species being eaten, right?

But sure, go on being that vegan

There is already one covid-19 joke thread.

Please keep same topics under same thread if you don't want to post in coronavirus section.

It's true! Not to mention heart disease, cancer, and the hundreds of other illnesses eating meat and dairy causes!

Not eating wild animals, not having live animal markets and not keeping them in such appalling conditions would have stopped the virus. I suppose if the world was vegan, yes this disease wouldn't have happened but a simpler solution would be to ban live animal markets, improve animal welfare and ban the eating of wild animals than to force Chinese people onto what would effectively be a diet of rice, soy beans and vegetables.

This has nothing to do with eating meat- Covid, swine flu, bird flu, etc. Viruses jump from species to species just by existing along side each other. If you think eating these species caused the virus to mutate to affect humans, then you probably would believe a meme saying we caught HIV/AIDS from monkeys by having sex with them.
You probably don’t even know that your dog can catch COVID from you and it’s not because dogs are eating humans.

No because bats are not 'produced' they're caught, @puds11. We're just not supposed to be eating them. And of course it's only natural to point the finger in the direction of those who caused the outbreak! Where else are people going to point?!

It wasn't from bats. It's supposedly from pangolins (99.9% match) however there's no guarantee.
I think you're patiently right. However if nobody ever ate meat we could all be very susceptible to many other viruses and flus. People eating meat are being passed small doses of viruses etc all the time which builds our immunity.
I'm no scientist but this is just my take!

If meat eaters are to blame, I suppose it makes a change from blaming poor people...

Nope, this is still blaming poor people.

Clearly the people in poverty-stricken West African countries just need to walk to the nearest country that has lentils as a crop rather than hunting bushmeat.

The usual way is is transmission from birds like ducks, via an intermediary animal like pigs. Of course other variations exist and will come to light in the future no doubt. I'd like wet markets closed for hygiene and cruelty reasons, but the vegan premise is agenda flogging.

Thought this a bit of dark humour which touched on some relevant issues via comedy.

@feelingverylazytoday its bats.

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/%3Famp%3Dtrue&ved=2ahUKEwi00dOKjJzoAhV5SBUIHQ7KBtcQ0PADMAB6BAgBEAY&usg=AOvVaw1QCpred2STvkcHM2A-_N8h&ampcf=1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/%3Famp%3Dtrue&ved=2ahUKEwi00dOKjJzoAhV5SBUIHQ7KBtcQ0PADMAB6BAgBEAY&usg=AOvVaw1QCpred2STvkcHM2A-_N8h&ampcf=1

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/02/200210144854.htm
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Have you not been listening to the news @PlanDeRaccordement? The source of the outbreak has been traced back to a specific wet market in Wuhan. We know eating bushmeat was the cause.

And vegans wonder why people think they're twats

This.

Wet markets are vile places, where I live (not the uk) the meat is covered in flies, left out in the sun, chopped up on the same chopping board as the previous meat. Gross. How anyone can stomach that is beyond me. I suppose if you have no money and need to eat you would, but I'm sure the meat sold in China was quite a delicacy I heard. I don't think meat is the problem but the conditions and type of (live!) meat were. It makes me feel sick just thinking about it.

Partially not patiently

There's a whole world between being vegan and eating wild bats.

Not eating wild animals would have stopped this- of course it would.
Also- having proper hygiene practices. You can do both of those things without resorting to veganism.

YABU and I say that as a vegan.

All of the diseases you've listed, including COVID-19, have come about because of poor animal husbandry or hygiene practices.

People should become vegan because they want to - not because they've been preached at and are now too frightened to eat meat and dairy.

Never mind the complete Western imperialism and racism being shown here. I’m pretty sure the people hunting for bushmeat and bats don’t have the wide access to lentils, quinoa and avocado that we do here

You are being racist. Most Chinese do not consume wild animals; those that do tend to be villagers in remote areas or filthy rich urban Chinese (strange juxtaposition I know). The latter are by far a bigger concern when it comes to pandemics.

So yeah, extreme veganism could have stopped this ... but so would sticking to basic principles of animal husbandry.

@ScapegoatforLife It says likely, and it is an outdated article.

Nobody knows where this variant of coronavirus came from. Saying it came from bats is a guess, not fact.

Also you said ”Corona is caused by the same disease as SARs - as per the WHO.“ Your terminology is mixed up there. SARS and COVID19 are both caused by corona viruses, which is a specific type of virus that was first discovered in the 1960s. The virus is called “corona” because it’s shape looks like a crown under a microscope. SARS and COVID19 are variations on a theme of virus, not “caused by the same disease”.

There are lots of good reasons to go vegan, but there’s no evidence yet that this is one. I say that as someone who has been a vegetarian for 22 years.