To think that maybe being vegan could've stopped this.

[Scapegoatforlife]

See the link and post

www.instagram.com/p/B9uiHGJl5xo/?igshid=ae9keny8um35

In short : COVID-19 was caused by eating animals (bats)

Ebola, swine flu, bird flu , HIV , SARS and VCJD were caused by eating animals.

COVID-19 and the like would not exist had we not eaten them.

And each one has caused an epidemic of some sorts, whether that be globally or on a social scale.

After doing my own research I'm definitely going to be incorporating more vegan food into my diet and then transitioning fully.

I KNOW this is about the C word, however it's an AIBU and let's be honest people post non relevant stuff in here all the time and dont get policed for it.

You are purposely missing the point that 'eat more vegan food' means nothing. Increasing plant based food without reducing meat intake will do what exactly?

I didn’t say that or defend that point of view. I think everyone who can should reduce their meat intake to zero.

Name one vegan food that is decent?

Oreos, pasta, jam doughnuts, dark chocolate, oat milk, biscoff spread, starburst, salt and vinegar crisps, treacle tart, toast. Not to mention all the fruit, veg, pulses, nuts, lentils, grains and legumes in the world that you’ve arbitrarily decided have to be called plant-based not vegan (hint: when it comes to diet, those two things are the same)

CumbiaVillera there are billions of threads debating the benefits and ethics of veganism and why people should move to a plant based diet. Why the fuck does this one have to go the same way?

This was started to discuss the (batshit) theory that the whole world should become vegan; and how all meat eaters are apparently responsible for unleashing Covid-19 upon the Earth.

Batshit. Literally.

jam doughnuts
Is that any special brand?

Co-op and Morrison's - although apparently some selfish bastard had bought them all today when I sent DH for some. No toilet roll or cleaning stuff, or bread or pasta, but mainly NO BLOODY DONUTS!

Batshit. Literally.

It would be like having a thread about strawberry jam and not mentioning strawberries!

Yanbu

Humans should be vegans but they're too selfish and unfortunately having a satisfying filling for their sandwich is more important to them than the torture these animals go through. The outdated arguments from people so they can justify why they choose to continue with their eating patterns are pathetic too, ranging from not becoming vegan because they want to spite smug vegans ( really? You'd rather not let a vegan win by eating the flesh or a tortured baby animal? ) to other shit about how their choices wont make a big change. Well guess what, it will. The change will be that you're not paying for small, helpless animals to be violently murdered in the presence of other animals. Before anyone thinks about replying please, please take your ego out of it and do some research first. If you cant bring yourself to watch any footage of where your food really comes from don't embarrass yourselves by arguing.

Agree justwondered yet folk don't want to discuss ethics or the benefits of it here.......

@Alwaysreadyforbed you sound like a horrible, horrible bully. Out of all the replies on here yours stuck out, you're not even constructive just abusive.

CumbiaVillera all right, you want to discuss the ethics? How about the ethics of coming into a thread where posters are raising the profile of global food poverty; and turning it into the 1000th thread on how you; sitting in a first world country, can have a varied vegan diet and how great it works for you. Fuck global food poverty, right? Those people in South Sudan who turned to feeding their children bushmeat at the height of the war and famine in that country can be lumped in with all those other selfish bastards who just want a bacon sandwich and a milky latte.

I will happily debate with you until the cows come home about the benefits and ethics of veganism (in fact, you’ll probably find I actually agree with many of your points)... but not on this fucking thread

Wow is it the first time Instagram has been used as a reputable source of evidence on MN?
What do people say about it being a virus that went rogue from the Wuhan lab next door to the meat market
Honesty

@CumbiaVillera sadly people wont. Think they dont realise hardly anyone is born vegan and nobody finds it easy to do, it's a choice you make when you no longer think humans are so superior you can just treat animals as if they're stuffed toys. Once you've researched and made yourself face the reality you realise the most gruesome horror films are better than what you're paying for as a cheap dinner on a week night. Its horrendous. And all the hatred towards vegans is ridiculous too, I notice the most abusive and spiteful people are the non-vegans and the excuses are so rubbish. Lucy Watson, the vegan celeb once stated that she wasnt a vegan until she lived on a farm, then she truly realised the magnitude of how cruel humans are. Tbh, after seeing most of the replies on this thread there's not much hope for most of these people and exactly why I prefer animals to people anyway. So, so unkind and more worried about rowing with eachother than looking into the argument presented.

now this one of the craziest vegan ideas yet

So many amazing meals you can make with veg

Says you
My taste buds say MUCH different

@Dyrne are you always this rude? So what if the discussion has gone in another direction? The point raised makes it a more interesting conversation, it actually raises the point that we are privileged to have the choice of being vegan. Why are you swearing at another poster? If you agree with the ethics, what is the issue?

Think they dont realise hardly anyone is born vegan and nobody finds it easy to do, it's a choice you make when you no longer think humans are so superior you can just treat animals as if they're stuffed toys.

Nah, seen the so called docos, seen the images, it had no affect on me. Plus unless im in the ocean, as a human, we ARE top of the food chain. I just accept our place and the perks it provides - oh evil me....
I also like meat and dairy and id be a shit vegan. Im to picky with taste and textures
Im not into making my life harder, longer time making meals, reading labels and eating food i just barely tolerate

@squeekums honestly, not to sound patronising but your reply is refreshing, matter of fact, non-abusive and fair enough. If its had no effect on you then there's not really much that can be done. Different ethical matters matter to different people I suppose. I found that after a tragedy animals were a real source of comfort for me and I was hypersensitive to their kindnes. I longer felt separate to them, nor were my preferences important enough to put them through so much pain. I do appreciate other people have had different experiences in their lives to me though and they might be passionate about helping other causes.

For those who do consider it to be something suitable to them, we are very lucky that it's becoming a much more accessible option. Thanks for replying, it's actually interesting to hear how other people think about these things.

I don't see the point of arguing with meat-eaters. Anybody who thinks it's OK to boil baby piglets alive just so they can get their bacon sarnie are beyond reason.

I'm leaving this thread now. Too much ignorance, not enough compassion.

@mariefromsttropez very true, I thought it would be a good discussion. I usually never say anything and haven't before on MN but saw loads of rude, nasty responses & thought a conversation might be available but I think you're probably right, I can anticipate it going South. I'll be off too

@Justwondered90901 i figure brut honesty is best, i get less of the patronising "you just dont know, havent seen what i have," or "everyone would change if they just watched xyz" or "everyone can enjoy a vegan diet"

Dont get me wrong, love animals too, they provide much comfort, we even have many animals as pets but i also accept if push came to shove, id eat my own pets to survive.
And the cat thinks i feed her well for HER benefit...... I mean she is lucky, we have chooks, they would go first.
Or to protect our completely free range chooks, we do kill predators, foxes, stray cats kind of thing
Life is a balance and death is a natural part of that balance, predator v prey is natural and normal
broken down, no emotion, humans are animals too and we naturally act accordingly

Or to protect our completely free range chooks, we do kill predators, foxes, stray cats

How do you know the cat isn’t someone’s much loved pet that has got lost.

You have killed cats that have wandered into your garden?

Oreos, pasta, jam doughnuts, dark chocolate, oat milk, biscoff spread, starburst, salt and vinegar crisps, treacle tart, toast. Not to mention all the fruit, veg, pulses, nuts, lentils, grains and legumes in the world that you’ve arbitrarily decided have to be called plant-based not vegan (hint: when it comes to diet, those two things are the same)

Ffs oreos and jam donuts.....yes extremely healthy. People should eat more oreo and jam donuts. They are definitely decent for health.

Not all pasta is Vegan. Most of the food on that list just happen to be suitable for vegans. They are 'vegan food'.

Are you really suggesting to improve peoples health, stop pandemics people should eat more oreo, starburst, vegan pasta and game donuts.

The other food on that list is simply food. It's not vegan food. Its suitable for vegans. But meat eaters eat them aswell.

Again 'eat more vegan food' isnt going to stop a pandemic. Which is what I was saying. It's a meaningless statement. I could eat the food you listed all day, but unless it also accompanied by eating no animal products, it's not a vegand diet.

Not sure why you are so annoyed I cant get on board with 'eat more vegan food'. Its meaningless. Op isnt vegan. Is planning on eating more vegan food. Not becoming vegan. How does that achieve what she is getting at or what you want for everyone.

You may want everyone to become vegan.

Not going to happen. Far more realistic for people to reduce animal products, up natural foods.

If we live on oreos and jam donuts, the health implications are huge. That was my other point. Lots of processed foods that have been adjusted to be 'vegan', are full of crap and not good for health. That's not for me, thanks.

I completely agree OP. It won't stop till we stop it. I'm trying to cut down on dairy atm, but it's hard to eat better with bad finances. I'm really aware of how disgusting and cruel it is.

This thread made me laugh.

I recently cooked a meal for some friends.

I said 'I made you dinner!', and gave it to them, and they asked 'is it vegan?'. I replied 'there are no animal products in it. You can serve it with rice.'
They stared at me.
I carried on... 'if you wish, serve it as a side dish with chicken. But I don't have the chicken here.'
They carried on looking blankly at me.

So I took it home and froze it in single portions, chuckling away to myself. It's my favourite meal anyway, so I wasn't going to complain!

Anyway, my point is... it's just food people!!! I honestly don't know why the concept of lack of animal products within a food stuff causes such reactions...

(This is the meal. It is absolutely delicious)

www.recipehow.com/goan-butternut-squash-cafreal-recipe/

I think I will try that recipe