Boris is trying to kill off the old and infirm

[CoronLona]

"you will loose loved ones". Get over it. We are not taking any action to stop it. The old and vulnerable will die. 80% of us will catch coronavirus.

I do not like these messages. It's like he doesn't care about the elderly or vulnerable at all.

Is he trying to kill them off to make some savings in the NHS? It certainly feels like it.

AIBU to make this assumption?

Testing is only reliable when symptoms have appeared. The virus needs to reproduce to be detectable. The reproduction causes symptoms. By the time you test it’s too late. We don’t have the laboratory capacity to test everyone ‘just in case’

He won the election by a landslide and you think he wants to ruin that by killing people off?

The left are truly deranged.

The left are truly deranged

And utterly deluded

@allthepeoplethatcomearound - yup, my thoughts exactly. This mass hysteria is getting beyond ridiculous. This is going to be a shit few months, we are all going to be affected in some way, but posts like this are just totally ... I can’t even summon up the right terminology for how I feel about them!

Ugh.

These threads make me think that wiping out half of the UK wouldn't actually be that deleterious.

Do people not know how utterly corrupt the WHO and similarly large multinational organisations are?

Do people really think China is the epitome of best practice?

Do people really think we live in some kind of hell-hole where politicians want to kill people?

We live in one of the most transparent democracies in the world. We have so many checks and balances. We even have a democratic parliament under a benign monarchy. That's about as stable as it gets.

The government of the UK does not want to kill people. It doesn't.

We don’t have the laboratory capacity to test everyone ‘just in case’

That is the crux - money and resources. There aren't enough for the response that is needed. Hence choosing the economy or lives.

He won the election by a landslide and you think he wants to ruin that by killing people off?

Is he pragmatic or acting politically? You can't have it both ways.

The left are truly deranged.

Why is there the assumption that a critical view of the governments actions mean that you are on the left? It is not a left/right or remainer/leaver proposition. But it is right/wrong proposition and in a year's time count the population and calculate its average age and it will be revealed.

This mass hysteria is getting beyond ridiculous.

If the government are taking what people believe to be a dangerous path, it is right that they speak out. That is including many eminent scientists.

Am going to say it again - based on the title of this thread alone, it’s a disgusting assumption. I am not a fan of the current government, but this kind of post/title/etc is just pointless. Seriously - maybe we should all spend less time spouting crap/arguing/etc on here - and spend our internet time on looking at how we can help people at the moment.

@Whowantstogotothepark no one could have imagined the resources needed for this. You require a medical expert to swab each person potentially infected, you then require laboratory staff and equipment to test for the results. Doing so you have to sacrifice seeing to/treating/processing results for an already ill patient.

We can’t have an excess of lab/medical capabilities “just in case” at all time’s. And when something like this happens we can’t train overnight.

Are you trained and willing to swab the poorly people? I very much doubt so, or would even if you were

The difference is that other world leaders are actively trying to minimise deaths. Boris just doesn't give a shit. He's like the honey badger. He's not even pretending to care.

Thepigeonsarecoming Read this link. Apparently on Thursday the NHS had the capacity to scale up testing. By Friday they had decided to scale it down. So to my mind it is not a matter of training, personal and equipment but political decision-making. Also it is a swab and a lab assay. A nurse or doctor can do the first and a lab technician the second. If the government hadn't deliberately underfunded and understaffed the NHS, there wouldn't even be a debate over capacity for testing.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/who-urges-countries-to-track-and-trace-every-covid-19-case

It would be very interesting to be inside Cummings' mind right now. I'm sure that the "advantages" of the situation haven't passed him by.

This. Plus there is evidence this is a man made virus that escaped from a Wuhan facility. A manufactored bioweapon.

We live in one of the most transparent democracies in the world. We have so many checks and balances. We even have a democratic parliament under a benign monarchy. That's about as stable as it gets

The history of the black shirts. Come on.

@Whowantstogotothepark no one could have imagined the resources needed for this. You require a medical expert to swab each person potentially infected, you then require laboratory staff and equipment to test for the results. Doing so you have to sacrifice seeing to/treating/processing results for an already ill patient

There is a test available that takes ten minutes to determine if you have it. When the health minister was asked about it - he didn’t know it even existed. Our government have no idea what they are doing.

Boris haters need to realise he won a landslide and get over themselves rather than spend the next 5 years blaming/hating him for everything.

The Blackshirts Bored, you're talking about Oswald Mosley's fascists of nearly a hundred years ago. The 1930s. I think we've moved beyond that.

And even then, the Blackshirts weren't considered a valid point of view.

They were always derided.

Don't forget many of these front benchers are disaster capitalists. They will be looking at what they can individually profit from this. They are not interested in caring for the masses.

This. Plus there is evidence this is a man made virus that escaped from a Wuhan facility. A manufactored bioweapon.

Can you link to the evidence, please?

Goodbody stockbrokers pointed out yesterday that the amount committed by the Government here [Ireland] amounted to €630 per head.. “This compares to €148 per person in Germany, €124 in Italy and just €21 in the US,” according to Goodbody economist Dermot O’Leary.

Not sure how much the UK have committed? 12 billion I think? 66.44 million in the UK.

@PickAChew
You do realise that what vaccination does is mimic the disease and encourage an immune response? The same effect can be achieved by fit and strong people encountering it naturally

...and what about everyone else who isn't fit and strong? they die.

Naturally occuring Herd immunity, means subjecting everyone to the full force of the disease, so killing off those who can't survive and leaving some with long term complications.
Also pot luck, you cannot be sure you'll reach the magic number, (which can be very high) of people exposed to the virus to ensure immunity, also doesn't take into account viral mutation.

If herd immunity is the magic bullet you and that other foul mouthed poster support, then why is no other country letting CV become endemic?

he won a landslide

I'm still in awe at the utter stupidity of the vast majority of British voters! Certainly not something I'd be shouting from the rooftops personally.

I don’t care how corrupt people think the WHO are. Take your heads out of your arses and look at figures....the number of cases occurring each day and the rise in numbers.

No comments are needed.

I looked the other day when we were at 590+ confirmed cases. I then looked at when Italy were at the same point. They jumped to 800+ overnight from that...we've just done similar . Expect cases to hit the thousands over the weekend....our population is similar to Italy...we have slightly more people.

Boris is right, we are four weeks behind Italy if the numbers increase at the same rate.

I think Boris is making the right decisions at the moment. I suspect further measures will be likely but it’s important we don’t act so early we increase the spread of the virus inadvertently.

No wonder the lefties were trashed in the last election. Complete nonsense. What a stupid, stupid statement to make.

Although this is an awful crisis Boris isn’t doing too badly. Surrounding himself by experts and letting them address the nation. Corbyn et al were a complete joke during the last GE. Lisa Nandy when questioned by Piers Morgan about men self identifying as women and then competing in men’s sports made me think Labour couldn’t be more daft if they tried!

Thing is we need a strong opposition and they are sinking lower and lower.

Jeepers - what a silly thing to say. Vast majority of voters are stupid.... this is exactly why the Left lost so badly.

Maybe you would like to tell people how to vote?