Boris is trying to kill off the old and infirm

[CoronLona]

"you will loose loved ones". Get over it. We are not taking any action to stop it. The old and vulnerable will die. 80% of us will catch coronavirus.

I do not like these messages. It's like he doesn't care about the elderly or vulnerable at all.

Is he trying to kill them off to make some savings in the NHS? It certainly feels like it.

AIBU to make this assumption?

He can’t do right for being wrong can he ? He was telling the truth, did you want him to lie ? Old and sick people are always at risk, old people have to die of something, often it’s a chest infection. Hard to face when it’s your loved one, but that’s life.

@hiddenmnetter I took the liberty to paste this from another poster on a different thread....

World Health Organization spokeswoman Margaret Harris has questioned the UK’s approach to developing “herd immunity” against Covid-19

Dr Harris told BBC Radio 4’s Today: “We don’t know enough about the science of this virus, it hasn’t been in our population for long enough for us to know what it does in immunological terms.

“Every virus functions differently in your body and stimulates a different immunological profile. We can talk theories, but at the moment we are really facing a situation where we have got to look at action.”

hiddenmnetter - problems with your theory.

It assumes that whether everyone gets the disease fast or slow, what matters is getting to the 60% immunity stage.

But that ignores that in the real world, there are MASSIVE differences in outcomes depending on whether the disease is spread out over a long period or all hits within a few weeks.

Mortality rates are below 1% with perfect access to appropriate healthcare but in Italy, where they have now run out of room and equipment they are nudging up towards 10%.

It makes much more sense to slow transmission rates right down so that the NHS can cope - as has been recommended by the WHO, and as is being practised in pretty much all other countries.

There is a reason that no other country is following Britain's lead!

Plus we don't know if getting the disease once provides lifelong immunity or not; it doesn't with other coronaviruses. If it doesn't, then the theory is idiotic.

The best thing is to slow transmission until such time as an effective treatment and/or vaccine have been discovered.

As for arguing that poverty will kill people in the meantime - nothing to stop the government doing what other governments are doing and paying their citizens while they are unable to work.

Letting them starve is a political choice.

Do I trust Boris Johnson's motives?

Do I fuck.

twitter.com/Ujames1978/status/1238489388134346752

He can’t do right for being wrong can he ? He was telling the truth, did you want him to lie ? Old and sick people are always at risk, old people have to die of something, often it’s a chest infection. Hard to face when it’s your loved one, but that’s life.

The issue isn't what he said, it's what he's doing. What steps is the government taking to save as many lives as possible. Answer is nothing. He's leaving the population to crack on with it. Survival of the fittest. It's abhorent.

As @effingterrified says we could pay people who need to take time off work. We could set up emergency interest free loans or grants. What good a strong economy if not for the people - the same people who pay Boris's wages.

@Runmybathforme Actually that's not (normal) life. A large proportion of the public doesn't usually die young. They certainly don't usually die in isolation or without medical care, with the possibility of no proper funeral. Not in the UK, the world's fifth largest economy. Because, of course, many young people live with well managed underlying conditions. They lead active and economically productive lives.

As for "the elderly". The risk starts increasing at fifty, so middle-aged. Boris's age. Do you see him as frail? Many on ventilators in Italy are actually in their thirties and forties.

Labour are as much to blame. We pretty much don't have an opposition right now, no-one to call the government to account.

www.vice.com/en_us/article/5dmqyk/naomi-klein-interview-on-coronavirus-and-disaster-capitalism-shock-doctrine

Just putting this here.