Spain: this is what happens when you close the schools

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Families leaving Madrid and heading for the coast are spreading the virus throughout the country. A week ago the province of Murcia was only getting its first case of coronavirus.

@MarshaBradyo
We don’t have a police force? We don’t have an army? We don’t have a legal system of fines and prison for breaking the law? Ok then, perhaps 1-2 million deaths does not count as a crisis.

I’m not convinced. Even in Italy they had a journalist on the road making the journey out of the North when they were in lock down. No checking they just drove down.

When would have done this btw?

@ShanghaiDiva
Having followed China very closely the last two-three months, the contrast with here makes me feel like crying. I just can’t get my head around it. The economy is fucked either way, for god sake just try to save some lives, and stop people crowding together at work and school and in large social spaces. It’s really not that complicated.

Cam I know you keep following and comparing with China but you’ll drive yourself crazy with it. They reacted in a much harsher way than we do.

@ShanghaiDiva
I’m trying to communicate here and elsewhere that we don’t need to go down this route but it seems nobody wants to here it. It’s like having been told that we are doomed, they then hate hearing about how China/Singapore/Taiwan/Japa etc is successfully dealing with it with string early measures. “No this is the only way”.

The time for those early measures has passed though.

Yes, the economic impact is massive, whatever happens.
I don’t understand all the ‘we can’t do what China did’ comments. What China has shown is that nothing is impossible, difficult, yes, impossible, no. China has several advantages re implementation of draconian measures, but we can still learn from what they did.
Dh wanted dd and me to go to the uk from China as it would be safer for us. There are now more cases in the uk than my province so that did not work quite as planned...

Oh that is a pity! It’s hard to know what’s coming at any time.

We don’t have a police force? We don’t have an army? We don’t have a legal system of fines and prison for breaking the law?

Well, no we don't, there isn't the police around to do basic traffic enforcement or investigate robberies etc, army is lowest since napoleonic times and the prison system is bursting at the seams... add in a NHS that is already operating at 90 to 100% (before CV) and we are in a precarious position.

@Cam77
Indeed. Very few want to listen. Instead they want to tell me what a brutal totalitarian regime China is and how people have been shot, starved to death and locked in their flats...

1. Not everything in the media is true.
2. I am not suggesting we lock people in their flats
3. I know exactly what the Chinese regime is like as I live there, unlike the China experts all over mumsnet.

I’m not an expert on China obvs and not claiming to be but I still don’t think we have the resources to control the population in the same way.

@Cam77 I agree with you. We have a chance to save many lives, and it is being pissed up the wall. Lots of people will die because no one wants to make and enforce difficult decisions.

What decisions have Italy, Spain and France made that are helping atm?

@ShanghaiDiva Yes there have been so many lies. I am not defending their human rights record, but there are so many things being said about what China did to get this pandemic under control that are just untrue.

Any other country is doing more than the UK. And yes countries that have taken this seriously from the beginning like Taiwan, have brought this under control.
The UK is actually a small country. And it is an island. It would be far easier to eradicate it here than in some other countries.

@Ginnymweasley

While I get what you are saying about why you need things to go on as normal, I have eight vulnerable family members.

We are currently trying to workout isolation measure for DM (chronic chest problems), DF (extremely elderly), DMIL (extreme chest issues), DSIS (immuno compromised) and my god parents who are elderly with under lying health issues.

Every time I here this herd immunity idea bandied around I want to scream. It is fine for people who stand to lose nothing but money. I stand to lose almost everyone I hold dear to the government’s half arsed plan.

Fuck money. I’d like not to lose both my parents in the same week.

France and Spain are only just going into lockdown and their numbers are way ahead of us, are they being criticised to the same extent as the UK anywhere?

@alloutoffucks
Indeed. China has implemented measures that seem to be effective, let’s learn from that rather than focusing on what is wrong with China. Plenty of time for that post pandemic.

Taiwan learnt from SARS and yes they approached it well from the beginning.

Everyone else not affected by that didn’t. And we are all in the same boat now. No matter if you think UK timing is off with various tools. But I don’t.

The time for early measures hasn't passed though Marsha. On the 23rd January, when Wuhan went into lockdown, it had 830 cases. The same amount, roughly, we had yesterday.

We could do it, we could have 3000 deaths instead of 300,000 deaths.

Why wouldn't we at least try?

Tbh I’d rather look to Taiwan anyway What the world can learn from Taiwan. The Independent

For the next one perhaps. Too late now.

Nellodee I think our cases are much higher. Think they said x10 at press conference?

When my city went into lockdown we had three cases.

Exactly. We are past that now by a long shot.

Yes, lessons to be learnt from Taiwan too.