Gobsmacked by UK response

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Stay at home for one week if you’ve a cold (even though all evidence is that incubation is two weeks)

People over 70 don’t go on cruises.

WHAT!!!

134 new cases in a day and no action. 13 EU countries have closed all schools, another 11 partial closures but apparently no action needed in Uk.

Jesus.

The schools don’t know anymore about when it will happen but want to make sure they are prepared if they do!

It’s disgusting that hospitals still operate on a ward basis when everywhere else has moved away from communal sleeping quarters. Even student residences and youth hostels have separate rooms and en suites now.

@Teateaandmoretea @MarshaBradyo and anyone else interested. I was just reading an article on European healthcare systems in the FT which included this graphic. Interesting comparison of UK and Germany.

It’s disgusting that hospitals still operate on a ward basis when everywhere else has moved away from communal sleeping quarters. Even student residences and youth hostels have separate rooms and en suites now.

I was in hospital to be induced in December and I had to share a ward with 5 other women, some of whom were in hard labour and were being told they were not. Eventually this was me and I was thrown onto the delivery suite about 20 minutes before my baby was born.

Goaty I’ve seen that on here I just didn’t think we’d be at the point where we couldn’t give someone the care they need for this yet. They’d better be putting together some other spaces.

Glasgow uni have cancelled the third term completely! It seems organisations are ignoring government and making their own decisions.

If they’re not testing anyone anymore, the daily figures mean nothing and how will they know when we’ve reached the peak?

Yes it's all bollocks. They have sat down and clunkily worked out (feeling terribly clever and in power) that if they don't test and label thousands or millions then we will all keep calm and carry on, like good sheep.

Of course stacks have got it.

I was in hospital to be induced in December and I had to share a ward with 5 other women, some of whom were in hard labour and were being told they were not. Eventually this was me and I was thrown onto the delivery suite about 20 minutes before my baby was born.

I ended up in for contractions at 31 weeks with dd2. I watched on a busy Saturday night on labour ward like this then opted for a home birth. Maybe one positive to come out of this shitstorm will be people taking the need to sort the NHS out more seriously in relation to both funding and how it is operated.

We’ve had our first case in our local hospital. It was someone who had been on holiday and presented unwell at A&E. they sat there for 5 hours!!! Then were admitted into an open ward. They tested positive on Wednesday. How many new cases will that result in? 🤔🤔🤔

I’m wondering if there are fewer two parent working families, what will they do if it lasts for four months and longer? Have they alternative CC.

@MarshaBradyo
The Irish government is in the process of earmarking €3bn for sick pay and compensation to businesses affected by the mass self isolation and social distancing that is envisaged. The UK govt has earmarked £12bn, for a population that is 13 times bigger than Ireland's.

People are urged as much as humanly possible to work from home and it is understood and accepted that this will result in fewer hours worked daily.

The Irish government is operating on the assumption that it's no longer a case of 'business as usual'. This contrasts with the UK approach.

You have a rather simplified view of life on the UK. The UK is not solely made up of nice little families with office jobs where mum and dad can work from home on one of their many computers whilst the kids okay board games between getting on with their school work.

There'd be looting in my town centre if the shops and schools closed. Bored people indulge in anti- social behaviour. It's no small measure to impose a lock down on a country. We're a pretty rebellious population. We all think we know best. The government will be weighing up the costs to lives of coronavirus v the breakdown of social order.

Surely this is why you have a standing army?

@Eastie77 Fri 13-Mar-20 09:21:52

Whenever there is a thread about vaccinations virtually the whole of MN screams that they are safe because we must trust Science. But now the advice Scientists have given to the government doesn't suit many people on MN and suddenly we are hearing "the scientists are wrong, we can't trust them" and every one else knows better

This is because the UK is approaching this pandemic in a way that flies in the face of WHO advice and all the examples of all the other countries currently dealing with it, some very successfully and some whose efforts have yet to bear fruit as they have just recently adopted measures.

Either there is a special, rarified British brand of science that is right and all the rest are wrong, or there are non-scientific factors at play in the UK that are being given far too much weight by the government.

I am going by the most excellent Professor Jason Leitch. In Scotland, he has been everywhere. Straightforward and to the point. He explains the thinking
news.stv.tv/video/health-chief-explains-goal-of-coronavirus-delay-phase

My point is that when it comes to health matters we are continually told "we must trust the scientific approach, it's based on data and facts". And yet there are sometimes different versions of that approach and interpretations of the data so which one do we trust? I really don't know if the U.K. is wrong at the moment and all other countries correct or vice versa

Logically, @Eastie77, is it really possible that everyone else is wrong?

I really dislike on mn the reverting of how wonderful things are in other countries. All countries have different types of people and stereotyping British people is really unpleasant.

@Teateaandmoretea, what are your thoughts on claims that the British can't be expected to put up with a long period of social distancing, that there will be riots and looting and general mass civil disobedience if the government tries to institute this?

or there are non-scientific factors at play in the UK

Arguably, this is where having a reputation for being a lying, self-serving, arrogant conman (Johnson), an architect of misery for the poor and vulnerable (Cummings) and a bunch of nasty fuckers like the Tories can become a bit tricky.

As soon as they so much as try to let a pandemic virus burn unchecked thought the population, people start wondering if it's not just because the Special British Science is magical after all.

So hard to get the optics right.

I don’t understand how getting food deliveries will work if you’re isolating. How are people meant to go about sorting this out with a supermarket?

I think we'll have reasonable food deliveries for a while but could get bad if the warehouse staff and drivers have to isolate. Let's worry about that when we have to.

Food deliveries are starting to go a bit crazy where we are. It’s gone from being able to book a slot the next day to no slots for at least four days. That doesn’t sound a long wait but it’s the sudden change that has shaken me up a bit. I’ve used the same online service for years and apart from Christmas dates, there’s always been slots for the next day.

We’ve had our first case in our local hospital. It was someone who had been on holiday and presented unwell at A&E. they sat there for 5 hours!!!

Surely by now everyone knows NOT to walk into A&E if you think you have this disease. If true then this person’s actions are incredibly selfish.

Food deliveries are starting to go a bit crazy where we are. It’s gone from being able to book a slot the next day to no slots for at least four days.

Plus they’re limiting how much you can buy of certain items, thanks to the selfish stockpilers. So I could only order one pack of loo roll rather than my usual two - and have to wait six days to get it.

So I could only order one pack of loo roll rather than my usual two - and have to wait six days to get it.

And even then it might not turn up :( I’m dreading the substitutions or unavailable items. We rely on home deliveries because of disability and it’s the not knowing if we will get all our shopping that’s causing a lot of stress here. The stuff we normally order and rely on is some of the stuff being limited because of the panic buying so it’s really worrying.