worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 21

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Symptoms:
Common signs of infection include respiratory symptoms, fever, cough, shortness of breath and breathing difficulties. In more severe cases, infection can cause pneumonia, severe acute respiratory syndrome, kidney failure and even death.

MERS came from camels, SARS from civet cats.

(Extracts from WHO)

Helpful links

The new PHE dashboard for monitoring covid-19 latest published UK figures
www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
Numbers for Wales (unknown update time)
phw.nhs.wales/topics/latest-information-on-novel-coronavirus-covid-19/

Look after yourself, help with managing your mental well-being, including for self-isolation here.
www.mind.org.uk/information-support/coronavirus-and-your-wellbeing/

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

• to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
• to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure
read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c, vit d

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 70% vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

I've just been told by my neighbour that the young couple living opposite her were in Italy (just outside the lockdown zone) just over a week ago, they both work in the local coffee shop, one of them food handling. They couldn't afford to take time off work to self isolate!!
This scenario or ones very similar to it will be playing out all over the world right now, their boss is well aware of where they've been because it's the parent of one of them.

Sorry if this has been mentioned but does anyone know about the increased risk of COVID19 and hypertension?

I take 3 different medications and luckily mine is under control at the moment.

I'm worried as I'm a single mum and concerned if I get ill as no one to help with my DC.

Also, I've tried to do an online shop tonight and usually slots are there the next day. I've tried ASDA, Sainsbury's, Tesco and Morrison's and none of them have any slots for the next 2-3 days. People are definitely panic buying.

@screamer1 It is really tough- the Italy figures are scary.

I do think Italy represents a worst case scenario and we are not there yet in the UK. And hopefully other countries can learn from their mistakes (awful thing to say) and act sooner.

I hope their new quarantine measures start to slow things down.

I agree that Matt Hancock was totally tone deaf, all about MPs, nothing for the rest of us and very vague.

The medium article talks a lot about modelling and how the total number of infected people it calculated from the various types of data.

1, Using the UK numbers - If you assume a 1% mortality rate then, using the modelling in the Medium article, the total number of cases is probably around 6400 currently.

1. A calculation using the number of tested "imported" cases multiplied by a community factor. I didn't understand this one well enough to attempt it for the UK numbers.

1. Using the extrapolated Hubei data as a template. Basically they reckon, in hindsight, that when Hubei thought they had 440 cases then they actually had 12,000 cases.

So the end "take home" I have from this was that - it is expected that only a fraction of cases are visible. There are always undiagnosed cases. But that the government will be well aware that they are looking at the tip on an iceberg, and will have several estimations of how big the iceberg is underneath.

I'm glad you have brought this up, as if my dc had to go to hospital I would make sure they didn't know

i have what is probably a stupid question.

i woke up today with a banging headache and have a temperature of 99.3

is this a high or normal temperature? i have arthritis and take methotrexate, and also have hypothyroidism.

apologies for being thick, i can’t seem to establish what is deemed as a fever. my temp on monday was 97.1 so it’s higher now, but i don’t know what constitutes a fever in terms of coronavirus.

help!

Ok that last answer from matt re the football match and calling 111 has crushed any faith I had in the gov...

Are online supermarket orders really panic buying, though? It might be people making small moves towards social distancing. If you can’t work from home etc then you can order in groceries rather than go to the shop.

Follow the Science you are all wrong!

Show us the Science please Mr. Hancock instead if just fobbing us off.

I cannot believe he is in charge of this.

We’re fucked.

Yeah, of course the whole of the rest of the world is not following the science -

Yeah.

@Sunshinegirl82, no I will watch it shortly

IMO, next week is too late. They need to be making decisions now, saying things like "When it gets to X cases, we will do X".

Someone upthread asked about hypertension- without wanting to alarm anyone, some initial data from China unfortunately seems to suggest hypertension is a significant risk factor for having a bad outcome. If you have hypertension, I would be trying to take as many measures as possible to reduce your chances of getting ill.

That is high. Attached a photo of typical symptoms to look out for. You can do an online assessment (nhs 111). Without other symptoms in itself it may not be anything to worry about.

If Italy is at or approaching its peak then I'd say that continuing high numbers of people testing positive are to be expected.

Chris Whitty explains in the select committee interview that 95% of cases will be expected within a 9 week period and 50% of cases in the 3 weeks in the middle of that 9 week period.

Assuming the same pattern in Italy it will be some time yet before the figures start to drop.

Derby MP just said a £5 test has been developed in Derby that is used all over the world with an accurate result in 10 mins, but not here.
Urges MH to look at investing in this.

He keeps pushing it back to 111.

111 being hailed as the Holy grail following the science?.
I've had personal experience today of the utter cock up of 111.

I just remembered I get high blood pressure

We all need to think and act as a community, and assess the risk to our community rather than individual risk.

Actually, for the sake of the community, we need to do both. If you have an underlying condition that makes you more vulnerable, for instance, you might be best starting social distancing sooner, because the chances are if you get ill you're going to take up more medical resources for longer. That's not good for the community as a whole. There doesn't seem to be anything in the current approach to allow for that, or it's being held off for later.

Even if you're well, there's a difference between thinking of the community as a whole and being ready to do your bit, and not questioning what's going on but just shutting up and feeling unconvinced instead.

I totally agree jumping

111 are basically saying

Stay home
Hope to fuck you don’t need additional help

I am just worried that the Secretary for State is just repeating- we are doing what the science says, but this sounds like the science is certain and there's only one possible response to it (even going as far as to say others are not being scientific)-but the whole point is that the data is far from great coming out on this, I am not clear how certain the modelling is with an entirely new virus, you can't model it on flu entirely and our covid data is not consistent. There is also 'science' that says things like social distancing do work.

Also- the science doesn't say call crappy 111 and get fobbed off does it? So, why keep telling people to do this!

No plan for mass closure of schools.

I really do feel like I’m living in a parallel universe. China, Italy etc have locked down and taken steps to try avoid a spread despite still going into crisis yet here we are a few weeks behind ignoring their voices of experience, the expertise of the who for “scientific advise” precisely what advice is this? Because all I have read is that an insignificant percentage of elderly or those who are ill will die? Seems like the torries are prepared to sit back and just throw those thousands of people under a bus. Disgusted doesn’t even come close to how I feel tonight. Patronising bunch of &£@ers

Question about schools, good

@YoursTunbridgeWells. Why would i spend my life questioning everything? when my husband tells me he loves me do i question it? no. When i check the weather for the next day to see if it will be nice to take the kids to the park, do i question it and check every other possible source of information? no. if the radio tells me there is a big traffic jam on the motorway do i get my phone out and check for myself... no i take a different route to work.

If you cant trust anything that anyone ever tells you then im sorry you have a very sad life. Right now the government and some of the best medical experts are trying to steer our country away from a potential health crisis... is it serious? yes of course it is but if i do not trust what they say i would go into a panicked frenzy like many of the people on here with health anxiety's.

People come on here for many reasons.. some with serious worry about this and then we have people like yourself and a few others telling them that the government doesn't have a clue and we are going to end up like Italy or Iran and that asthmatics will likely not even be seen or put in ICU. you dont know that to be a fact and it would be stupid and unfair of you to worry these people even more than they currently are!

There is a woman on another thread that got so scared reading this one that she has refused to hug her husband or children for a week. This was caused by people putting their opinions across and stating them as facts when it is complete guesswork or information coming from Facebook or Reddit and it is now causing problems in peoples personal lives!